Papers of John Adams, volume 18

To John Adams from Rufus King, 4 December 1785 King, Rufus Adams, John
From Rufus King
Sir New York 4 Decr. 1785

I had the honor to write to you under date of the second of November, at which time the congress of the last year was at the point of seperation to make way for their successors— states sufficient to form a new Congress did not assemble until the 23d. ult, when they proceeded to the choice of a President, and Mr. Hancock, although absent, was elected— whether he will accept the Appointment is uncertain—1

Mr. Temple arrived here about ten days since, and having presented his commission, Congress on the 2d. instant passed an act recognizing him as Consul General— I inclose a Copy of the act which explains itself, and manifests what would be the Opinion of congress on the question in Case no commercial treaty should take place between G Britain and the U.S—2 Perhaps the delays of the british ministry may operate more advantageously to the U.S. than those acts which now might be esteemed the most liberal, and Kind— you very well remember, that Spain delayed Mr. Jay formerly, as England now delays you— the Event may be such in the latter Case, as it was in the former; And the U.S. hereafter may decline what they once solicited;—3 Time is more favorable to young, than to old nations— the States are more and more embracing the Opinion 14 that they must rely upon themselves, rather than upon alliances or Treaties with foreign nations— the navigation law of Massachusetts has been literally adopted by New Hampshire, Rhode Island has even gone beyond them—4 New York probably will follow their example,5 Pensylvania has now a Bill before their legislature, the heads whereof, as printed in the Gazettes I inclose you—6 Maryland will do something, which will strengthen the common cause,7 South Carolina had a short Session of their Legislature this Autumn, adjourned to meet in January, having appointed a respectable committee to prepare a Bill for the regulation of Navigation & commerce—8 The Rotation of members established by the confederation, has returned many old delegates to their respective States; these Gentlemen, having a more comprehensive Knowledge of the Affairs of the Confederacy, impressed with the importance of a more close union between the states and a greater uniformity in their laws, as they affect foreign powers, will not only exert themselves to produce these desirable objects, but probably will have considerable influence in bringing them forth— the Merchants through all the states are agreed, they urge the necessity of commercial Regulations—and the Sessions of the several Legislatures during the winter will be employed on this subject. the opening of the Budget by the British Minister will not be more important to that Nation than the acts which the states may probably pass during the winter, will be to the united states—

Much Time and almost the whole attention of the majority of the Citizens of this country, have been diverted since the war, from public employments, and engaged in the recovery of their private Affairs, deranged and injured by the progress of the Revolution— the success of their application is almost incredible; Towns have been rebuilt more beautiful upon their former Ruins, and the waste fields of the Husbandmen are again enclosed and covered with their Flocks and herds— these Citizens will again attend to the public concerns; and engage in every measure which can effectually secure their Peace and happiness with the Zeal and firmness of freemen— all opinions of the future character of the United States, which are founded upon their measures or pursuits since the war, must for the reasons alluded to, be in a considerable degree erroneous— A few years hence will exhibit this confederacy in a condition far different from that which has past, or is present— the conduct of England discovers their sentiments to the citizens of america, and being known, the latter will be guarded, & prepared for every event— Is it 15 so certain as Englishmen suppose it, that the United states cannot do without them— is it clear that because they prohibit the introduction of our Oil into England and our Fish into their Islands, that therefore our Fisheries will languish— How is the fact? France is desirous of purchasing our oil, and it comes to a good Market in some other states. The cod Fishery is in a prosperous condition, Plymouth, in Massachusetts, has as many fishermen or more as some say, than ever. Marble head has upwards of 40 Sail, besides boats—Salem 30, Beverly 30, Cape Ann 20, and other Towns to the eastward in proportion to their wealth— A few months since these Towns had no Fishermen; and by the next Summer, it is the Opinion of Good Judges, they will have a third more Vessels than they now possess; Nor is it probable they will want a Market for all the Fish they can cure— Are not these circumstances in our favor? they certainly are—

But I will not be sanguine— on the other hand I see no cause to dispair— the letters you wrote to Mr. Jay in August and September, were very satisfactory to Congress, contained much valuable information, and by their timely arrival I hope will produce good Effects in the Southern states.

Mr. Gerry who has not yet left me for home, presents his most affectionate Regards to you, some private concerns detains him here for a short Time, and I thereby enjoy his good society longer than I expected—9

With the most perfect consideration / & respect I have the honor to be / Sir, Your obt. Servt.

Rufus King

RC (Adams Papers); internal address: “His Excellency / J. Adams—”; endorsed: “Mr King. 4. Decr 1785. / recd 21. ansd 22. Jan. 1786.”

1.

For King’s 2 Nov. letter, see vol. 17:562–564. John Hancock was elected president of Congress on 23 Nov., and on the 30th, wrote to Charles Thomson, the secretary of Congress, accepting the appointment and indicating that he would proceed to New York City as soon as he had arranged his affairs. He did not attend, however, and on 5 June 1786 Congress received his resignation ( JCC , 29:883, 30:328; PCC, No. 58, f. 43–46).

2.

The copy of Congress’ 2 Dec. 1785 resolution recognizing John Temple as British consul general ( JCC , 29:897–898) enclosed by King has not been found, but another is with John Jay’s brief 5 Dec. letter announcing Congress’ action (Adams Papers). Congress declared in the resolution’s preamble that despite the absence of an Anglo-American agreement providing for the exchange of consuls it “will nevertheless be proper for the United States, on this and every other occasion, to observe as great a degree of liberality as may consist with a due regard to their national honor and welfare.”

3.

Jay resided at Madrid from April 1780 to May 1782, during which time Spain refused to recognize him as minister from the United States or negotiate a Spanish-American treaty (vols. 9:134, 240; 13:95). Britain had recognized JA as minister to Britain, however, and he was engaged in at least the semblance of negotiations for an Anglo-American treaty. King presumably means that if JA’s negotiations came to nothing, the United States 16 would then cease its efforts to negotiate a treaty, as it had with Spain when Jay left Madrid. It is interesting that at this time, Jay was engaged in negotiations with the Spanish chargé d’affaires, Diego de Gardoqui (vol. 17:19).

4.

For the navigation acts adopted by Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island, see vol. 17:index.

5.

In New York “An act for imposing duties on goods, wares and merchandize, imported into this State” was read a second time on 8 March 1786, revised, and then adopted 4 May. However, it reserved to the state the powers of making laws for the collection of the impost and to remove officers (Journal of the Assembly of the State of New-York, At their first Meeting of the Ninth Session, begun and holden in the City of New-York. the Twelfth Day of January, 1786, N.Y., 1786, p. 74, Evans, No. 19852; JCC , 30:440). For further comments on New York’s action and the difficulties it presented, see Jay’s letters of 7 April and 4 May (first letter); and King’s 5 May letter, all below.

6.

The enclosed “Gazettes’ have not been found, but nine heads of “a bill for the encouragement of shipping and navigation” presented to the Penn. General Assembly on 17 Nov. 1785 appeared in various Philadelphia newspapers, including the Pennsylvania Evening Herald and the American Monitor on 26 Nov. and the Pennsylvania Packet on 29 November.

7.

On 11 March 1786 Maryland adopted “An Act to alter and amend the laws respecting commerce and imposing duties” (Laws of Maryland, Made and Passed at a Session of Assembly, Begun and Held at the City of Annapolis, on Monday the Seventh of November, in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven hundred and eighty-five, Annapolis, [1786], ch. 76, Evans, No. 19770).

8.

The South Carolina legislature passed “An Act to authorise the United States in Congress assembled, to regulate the Trade of the United States with foreign Nations” on 11 March (Acts, Ordinances, and Resolve, of the General Assembly, of the State of South-Carolina, Passed in March, 1786, Charleston, 1786, p. 16). For the background to the state’s action, see vol. 17:13, 337, 521, 565.

9.

Elbridge Gerry’s “private concerns” may have related to his marriage to Ann Thompson in New York City on 12 Jan. 1786 ( ANB ).

From John Adams to John Jay, 6 December 1785 Adams, John Jay, John
To John Jay
Dear Sir Grosvenor Square Decr. 6. 17851

If the Facts, which I have had the Honour to state to you in my preceeding Letters, are credited, I think it will appear, that the Connections of these Kingdoms with foreign Powers, every Idea of the Ballance of Europe; the Dominions of Great Britain in Asia And America, and all the Interests Considerations of Posterity, are Sacrificed, to a momentary Tranquility and Credit. From which Premises, it will be easy to conclude, what will be the Effect of the Memorial, Copy of which is here inclosed and which I shall certainly present tomorrow.— It will not be answered in any manner.2 It is generally said “Things must take their Course.— We must take our Chance, and meet the Consequences of all the Combinations of our Rivals. We must risque it.” &c.

it is commonly Said, that Ministry will bring in an Act of Parliament, at their next session, placing the United states upon the Footing of the most favoured Nation, and then let them do what they please.

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Thus I find myself at a full stop.— I Shall not neglect any opportunity, to Say or do, whatever may have the least Tendency to do any good: But it would be lessening the United States, if I were to teize Ministers with Applications which would be answered only by neglect and Silence.— I Shall transmit you every Thing I can which may afford you any Information. But I think Congress can not avoid instruccting me, to demand an Answer, and to take my Leave and return to America if, it is not given me, in a reasonable Time in the spring. It is now with the states to determine, whether there is or is not a Union in America.— If there is, they may, very easily make themselves respected in Europe. if there is not, they will be little regarded, and very soon at War with England, as I verily believe.— I should Advise, all the great Seaport Towns, to think a little of the Means of Defence, put the Fortifications they have in as good order as they can, furnish themselves with Arms & Ammunion and put the Militia through the Continent upon as good a Footing as may be.

I have little Relyance on our Negotiations in Barbary. The Presents We have to Offer, will I fear be despized. We Shall learn by them, however, what will be necessary, and Congress, will determine, what We must do. Mr Lamb and Mr Randal are gone. Mr Barclay has been detained by Monsieur Beaumarchais Accounts but I hope will go soon.—3

If all Intercourse between Europe and America could be cutt off, forever, if every ship We have were burnt, and the Keel of another never to be laid, We might still be the happiest People upon earth and in fifty Years the most powerfull. The Luxuries We import from Europe, instead of promoting our Prosperity, only enfeable our Race of Men and Retard the Increase of Population.— But the Character of our People must be taken into Consideration. They are as Aquatic, as the Tortioses & Sea Fowl, and the Love of Commerce with its Conveniences And Pleasures are habits, in them as unalterable as their Natures. it is in vain then to amuze ourselves, with the Thoughts of annihilating Commerce unless as philosophical speculations.— We are to consider Men and Things as Practical statesmen, and to consider who our Constituents are and what they expect of Us.— Upon this Principle We shall find that We must have Connections with Europe Asia & Affrica, and therefore the sooner We form those Connections into a judicious system, the better it will be for Us and Our Children. We may now take Measures which may save Us many Miseries and a vast Expence of Blood. We shall 18 find, that Nothing can be done in Europe, but by keeping up the Dignity of the United States, and that Dignity in Europe is a very different Thing from that which is and ought to be Dignity in America

I have the Honour to be, with great / Respect, sir your most obedient

John Adams.

RC and enclosure (PCC, No. 84, VI, f. 9–12; V, f. 745–748); internal address: “Mr Secretary Jay.” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 111. For the enclosure see note 2.

1.

This is the first letter WSS copied into the Letterbook following his return to London on 5 Dec. from his trip to Prussia (vol. 17:300–301; AFC , 6:478).

2.

This is JA’s [30 Nov.] memorial to the Marquis of Carmarthen regarding the evacuation of the frontier posts (vol. 17:624–625). In his letter to Jay of 24 Nov., JA indicated that he planned to present the memorial on 1 Dec., before British concern over the Franco-Dutch alliance waned (vol. 17:599–600). On 30 Nov., however, Carmarthen wrote to postpone their meeting until the 8th (Adams Papers). JA also enclosed a copy of the memorial with his 9 Dec. letter to Jay, below, wherein he described his meeting with Carmarthen on the 8th and his presentation of the memorial. There is only one copy of the memorial in the PCC, which is indicated in the descriptive note, but whether it went with this letter or that of the 9th is unknown.

3.

For the impending negotiations with the Barbary States, see Treaty Negotiations with the Barbary States, 12 Sept. – 11 Oct. 1785 (vol. 17:431–452). John Lamb, appointed to negotiate with Algiers, and his secretary, Paul R. Randall, left Paris on 6 Nov., but Thomas Barclay, the commissioners’ agent for negotiations with Morocco, and his secretary, Lt. Col. David Salisbury Franks, did not depart until mid-Jan. 1786 (vol. 17:586, 604). For the delay caused by Barclay’s review of Pierre Augustin Caron de Beaumarchais’ accounts at the behest of Congress, see vol. 17:604 and Thomas Jefferson’s 11 Dec. letter to JA (Jefferson, Papers , 9:91).