Papers of John Adams, volume 19

From John Adams to the Marquis of Carmarthen, 12 January 1788 Adams, John Carmarthen, the Marquis of
To the Marquis of Carmarthen
My Lord Grosvenor Square January 12. 1788.

I do myself the Honour of transmitting to your Lordship, for the Information of his Majestys Ministers, a Collection of Papers relative to certain Demands upon the British Government, of bonâ fide debts contracted before the Peace. The Names of these Creditors, My lord, are Thomas Bulfinch, Samuel Austin, Samul Partridge, John Rowe, and Samul Dashwood. The States of the Several Claims, and the Evidence in Support of them, appear in the Several Papers inclosed and numbered from 31 to 20 inclusively, and from another Paper marked Captain Dashwoods Case and Papers.2 When it is considered, My Lord, that British Merchants of whom those Goods were purchased before the War are now demanding Pay for them, under the Treaty of Peace and threatning Lawsuits in the Courts of Law at Boston for the Recovery of it, Humanity, My Lord as well as Equity is interested, that the British Government Should take upon itself to pay for what was taken by its orders accompanied with Promisses of Payment.

With great Respect, My lord I have / the Honour to be, your Lordships / most obedient and most humble / servant

John Adams

RC (PRO:FO 4, State Papers, vol. 6, f. 9–11); internal address: “The Right Honourable / The Marquis of Carmarthen / His Britannic Majestys Principal Secretary / of State for foreign Affairs.” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 112.

1.

In the LbC, WSS wrote “2.”

2.

With support from Massachusetts governor James Bowdoin, all of these Boston merchants had appealed to JA a year earlier, anxious to recover or be reimbursed for property allegedly seized by the British Army when it evacuated Boston in March 1776. JA did not present these documents to the British foreign secretary until he was on the brink of departure for America, presumably because he 257 knew he would receive no response from the British government regarding the settlement of prewar debts, a view shared by John Jay and others. For, as JA explained to Samuel Austin on 25 May 1786, due to “a great misunderstanding between the two Countries … there is not the least chance for obtaining any thing for you or any of your fellow sufferers” (vol. 18:61–65, 140–142, 312–313).

To John Adams from Thomas Jefferson, 13 January 1788 Jefferson, Thomas Adams, John
From Thomas Jefferson
Dear Sir Paris Jan. 13. 1788

I informed you in my letter of the 31st. of December of the measures I had taken relative to the reimbursement of the 51,000 gelders to Fizeaux & co. to wit, that I had asked the Willincks and Van Staphorsts to pay the interest, & written to the board of treasury for their orders as to the principal. I inclose you a letter just received from Fizeaux & co. now Hugguer, Grand & co. by which you will perceive that they have recieved the interest, but that the creditors will not consent to delay the reimbursement of their capital.1 I inclose you a copy also of what I now write to the Willincks & Van Staphorsts, and will beg of you to give or refuse your sanction, as you think best, but in a letter sent directly to them, because I find by their letters to mr̃ Jac. Van Staphorst, they will not be contented with the indirect authorisation of your former letter to me. perhaps in any other case, the creditors would have been quieted. but Fizeaux is retired from business & chuses to wind up all his affairs. probably therefore he has not endeavoured to quiet the creditors; perhaps he may consider their clamours as an useful engine to hasten his extrication from this business. be this as it may, their clamours, should they be raised, may do us great injury. but of this you are the best judge. I am with great & sincere esteem, Dear Sir, your most obedient & most humble servant

Th: Jefferson

RC and enclosure (Adams Papers); internal address: “H.E. mr̃ Adams.”

1.

Jefferson sent copies of three letters, all pertaining to the settlement of the Fizeaux loan: Hogguer, Grand & Co.’s 5 Jan. letter to Jefferson; Jefferson’s 13 Jan. letter to the loan consortium; and Jefferson’s 13 Jan. reply to Hogguer, Grand & Co., which is the only extant enclosure in the Adams Papers (Jefferson, Papers , 12:496, 508–509, 510).

From John Adams to the Marquis of Carmarthen, 21 January 1788 Adams, John Carmarthen, the Marquis of
To the Marquis of Carmarthen
My Lord Grosvenor Square Jan. 21. 1788

I do myself the Honour to inclose to your Lordship, for the Consideration of his Majestys Ministers, the Papers relative to the Brigantine Jane and Elizabeth the Property of James Sheafe and William 258 Sheafe Citizens of the United States of America; by which it appears that the Said Brigantine was taken by Force, not only from the owners, but even from the officers and Custody of the Court of Vice Admiralty, by Horatio Nelson Esquire, Commander of His Majestys Ship Boreas; whereby the innocent owners of an unoffending Vessel have been deprived of their Property, and of all the legal means of obtaining Redress, by Appeal or any other regular Course of Law.1

With great Respect I have the / Honour to be, My Lord, your / Lordships most obedient and / most humble Servant

John Adams.

RC and enclosures (PRO:FO 4, State Papers, vol. 6, f. 37–54); internal address: “The Right Honourable / The Marquis of Carmarthen / His Britannic Majestys Principal / Secretary of State. for foreign Affairs.”; endorsed: “Jany 21. 1788 / Mr. Adams. / Copy wth. the original / Inclosures sent to the / Admiralty 25th—” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 112.

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For the case of the Jane and Elizabeth, a Portsmouth, N.H., ship seized en route to Tobago by British captain Horatio Nelson, see vol. 18:427–428.