Papers of John Adams, volume 16

John Adams to Wilhem & Jan Willink, Nicolaas & Jacob van Staphorst, and De la Lande & Fynje, 23 February 1784 Adams, John Willink, Van Staphorst, and De la Lande & Fynje
To Wilhem & Jan Willink, Nicolaas & Jacob van Staphorst, and De la Lande & Fynje
Gentlemen The Hague Feby: 23d: 1784.

I receiv’d with Pleasure, your Favour of the 16th. which informs me of the Engagement of the Undertakers for a Million.

I have receiv’d Letters from Some respectable Gentlemen, at Amsterdam, containing a Remark upon the Plan, which I beg Leave to transmit you in the Words of one of the Letters.1 “Il me semble que selon la teneur dudit Plan, il ne convient guere, pour ne pas dire, point du tout, a un Négotiant, d’y placer des Fonds puisqu’il serait possible, qu’il en fut privé pendant 13 Ans, et cela par la Raison que le dernier tirage n’aura lieu qu’a l’Expiration de ce terme. J’ai donc pensé que si les 7. tirages differens pourroient avoir lieu la 1re: année; tout Négotiant tant soit peu à son aise seroit dans le cas de tenter la fortune. Si pour ƒ:10,000: par exemple qu’il y aura mis il n’avoit d’autre sort, que d’en sortir, avec ses dix Obligations; sans aucune prime, il ne tiendrait qu’a lui de les vendre, d’employer de nouveau cette Somme dans son commerce: et quoique d’aprés cette maniere seule il convient aux Negotians d’y placer des fonds, cela ne conviendra pas moins aux Rentiers.” “plusieurs de mes Amis m’ayant demandé mon Avis, ont declarées ne vouloir s’y interesser si le susdit changement n’avait lieu. Au reste le Plan est trés bien Combiné et generalement gouté. et je ne doute pas que si le léger changement que je prens la Liberté de vous proposer avoit lieu, la Négotiation ne fut bientot remplie.”

I answered the Gentlemen that I would communicate the Observation to you in whose Experience & Judgment I confide.

A Gentleman here at the Hague, sent me a Message that he would be glad to take 75 Obligations instead of 50 which had been promised him

very respectfully &c.

LbC in JQA’s hand (Adams Papers); internal address: “Messrs: Wilhem & Jan Willink / Nicholas & Jacob van Staphorst / & de la Lande & Fynje.”; APM Reel 107.

1.

Only one letter to JA commenting on the loan plan has been found and that was from J. Franc van den Corput, dated 21 Feb. at Amsterdam (Adams Papers), which Antoine 54 Marie Cerisier had forwarded to JA with his letter of 21 Feb., above. What follows are verbatim extracts from Corput’s letter of 21 February.

Translation: It seems to me that according to the terms of the aforementioned plan, it would be hardly suitable, not to say absolutely unsuitable, for a merchant to place his funds there as it is possible that he would be deprived of them for thirteen years, because the final drawing will not occur until the expiration of that time. I therefore thought that if the seven different drawings could take place during the first year, then any merchant who was reasonably well-off would be in a position to try his luck. So if he put in ƒ10,000, for instance, he would have no other way out but with his ten obligations. Without any premium, the choice would be his to sell them to use that sum anew in his business. And although in this manner alone it would be suitable for merchants to invest their funds, it would be no less appropriate for other investors. Several of my friends, having asked my advice, declared that they would not be interested unless the abovementioned change were made. As for the rest, the plan is well put together and generally well received, and I do not doubt that the transaction would soon be complete if the slight change that I take the liberty of proposing to you was made.

Corput’s objection revolves around the lottery drawings for additional loan obligations to be held in 1785, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1795, and 1797, for which see the consortium’s 4 Feb. 1784 letter and the letters from Wilhem & Jan Willink of 4 and 16 Feb., all above, and the loan contract of [9 March], below. Thus premiums would be ƒ50,000 at the first drawing in 1785, rising to ƒ200,000 in 1797, and totaling ƒ690,000 through all seven drawings. Depending on his luck, or lack thereof, an investor could wait thirteen years to learn whether or not he would be receiving a premium on his investment. If the investor did not win additional obligations in the lottery, his principal would be tied up in the obligations that he had purchased, and his only return during that period would be the 4 percent yearly interest. If, however, all of the drawings were held in a single year, but with the payment of the premium being in the year designated for the drawing, then at the end of the twelve months the investor would know if he had won a premium and, if he had not, sell his obligations to another investor, thereby being without his principal for only one year rather than thirteen. For the consortium’s rejection of Corput’s proposal because it was seen as favorable only to speculators, and also because the loan had already been opened under the terms to which Corput objected, see its letter of 25 Feb. 1784, below.

L. de Chavannes de la Giraudière to John Adams, 23 February 1784 Chavannes de la Giraudière, L. de Adams, John
From L. de Chavannes de la Giraudière
Monsieur Amsterdam ce 23 fevrier 1784

Le politique Hollandais est mort, et le Mercure Hollandais vient reprendre sa place. J’ai l’honneur d’envoyer à Votre Excellence le premier No de cette feuille nouvelle. Vous pourrez vous procurer les suivantes chez les Libraires de la Haie qui débitent le Courrier van Europa. J’espere que le public n’aura pas à regretter M. Cerisier pour le zele et le patriotisme, mais moi je regretterai bien fort que Votre Excellence ne se trouve plus à Amsterdam pour y recevoir vos instructions.1

Je vous prie de vouloir me faire passer tout ce qui pourra concerner l’Amérique, et trouver place dans un papier public. Le Chantre de l’Amérique a quelque droit me semble à défendre les intérêts des Treize Etats-Unis, et il doit le premier-être instruit après Votre 55 Excellence de ce qu’il veut savoir au public en ce pays, avant même la Gazette de Leyde, tout patriote et bien ententionnée qu’elle soit.2

Mon adresse, pour tout ce qui peut concerner le Mercure Hollandais, est à l’Auteur de cette feuille chez Holtrop Libraire dans le Kalvestraat.

J’attends toujours la réponse à ma derniere lettre,3 et suis avec le dévoûment et le respect que vous me connaissez, / Monsieur / De Votre Excellence / Le très-humble, très-obéissant Serviteur

De Chavannes de la Giraudiere
TRANSLATION
Sir Amsterdam, 23 February 1784

Le politique hollandais is dead, and the Mercure hollandais has taken its place. I have the honor of sending to your excellency the first issue of this new leaf. You can buy the subsequent issues from the booksellers at The Hague who sell the Courier de l’Europe. I hope the public will not miss Mr. Cerisier’s zeal and patriotism, but as for me I will greatly miss your excellency’s being in Amsterdam so I can receive your instructions there.1

I beseech you to send me all that concerns America and would fit in a public paper. The Chantre de l’Amérique has some right, it seems to me, to defend the interests of the thirteen United States, and it must be the first after your excellency to be informed about what the public wants to know in this country, even before the Gazette de Leyde, as patriotic and well intentioned as it may be.2

My address in all matters concerning the Mercure hollandais is in care of the author of this publication at the Holtrop bookseller on Kalvestraat.

I am still awaiting a reply to my last letter,3 and remain with the devotion and respect that you know in me, sir, your excellency’s very humble & very obedient servant

De Chavannes de la Giraudiere

RC (Adams Papers).

1.

The last extant issue of Le politique hollandais is of 12 Jan. 1784. Antoine Marie Cerisier’s role as the paper’s editor, however, likely ended much earlier, with the issue of 11 Aug. 1783, the result of his struggle over control of the journal with the paper’s publisher, Amsterdam bookseller Jacobus Adrianus Crajenschot (vol. 14:300–301). Crajenschot’s assumption of control is evident from the notice appearing at the end of the 18 Aug. issue: “J. A. Crajenschot, Editeur & seul propriétaire de cette feuille”; and the signed “Lettre du Libraire, Editeur & Propriétaire de cette Feuille à ses Confreres” that appeared in the issue of 25 August. That letter denied Cerisier’s claim to be sole editor and declared that Crajenschot’s role had been at least as important, if not more so. Cerisier’s ouster as editor may explain his 3 Sept. 1783 letter to JA requesting his assistance in obtaining a position in the French foreign ministry (vol. 15:244–245). Nothing is known of the Mercure hollandais beyond what Chavannes de la Giraudière says in this letter, and the copy sent to JA has not been found.

2.

The reference to Chantre de l’Amérique remains obscure, but that to the Gazette de Leyde, edited by Jean Luzac, is of some interest. Until the latter part of 1781, Luzac’s Gazette had been JA’s principal means for 56 disseminating news from and about America. That role ended only when JA sought the wider audience offered by the Gazette d’Amsterdam and Le politique hollandais. For Luzac’s complaint about JA’s shift to other papers, see vol. 12:125–127, 128–130. It is also worthy of note that C. W. F. Dumas obtained a position for Cerisier with the Gazette de Leyde (from Cerisier, 10 Aug. 1786, MB).

3.

Having learned from JA of the land office that Joseph Ward had opened in Boston (vol. 15:350–352), Chavannes de la Giraudière wrote on 26 Jan. 1784 to propose opening a branch in Europe and to ask for assistance in setting up a partnership with Ward and his associates (Adams Papers). In his reply of 30 Jan. (LbC, APM Reel 107), JA enclosed a copy of Ward’s brochure but declared that he could give no more aid to such a private venture. In his reply of 4 March (LbC, APM Reel 107), JA referred to his earlier letter and repeated that he was unable to help further. By the time Chavannes de la Giraudière wrote again, on 9 Aug. (Adams Papers), he was residing in Amsterdam and intended to move to the United States. Having been promised land in Virginia and passage across the Atlantic, he sought from JA money and letters of recommendation. In a last letter to JA, dated 23 Sept. (Adams Papers), Chavannes de la Giraudière reported that he and his family had been stranded in Amsterdam after the vessel that was to carry them to the United States had been seized by the owner’s creditors, and he expressed his resolve to take his children to London and seek free passage across the ocean there. JA apparently made no reply to either of these later letters. For a full account of Chavannes de la Giraudière’s flight from France and removal to the United States, see his letter to George Washington of 10 July 1787 in Washington, Papers, Confederation Series , 5:252–256.