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Papers of the Winthrop Family, Volume 4

Richard Vines to John Winthrop1
Vines, Richard JW

1641-01-25

To the right Worshipfull his honored Freind John Wenthrop Esqr. at Boston thes in Massachusetts
Right Worshipfull,

I received your letter concerning Mr. Jenner,2 acknowledging your former Courtesies to my selfe, and for your furtherance of 308a minister for vs our whole Plantacion ar greatly behoulding vnto you. We haue ioyned both sides of our river together for his mayntenance, and haue willingly contributed for his Stipend 47li per annum hoping the lord will blesse and sanctifie his word vnto vs, that we may be both hearers and doers of the word and will of god. I like Mr. Jenner his life and conversacion, and alsoe his preaching, if he would lett the Church of England alone. that doth much trouble me, to heare our mother Church questioned for her impurity vpon every occasion, as if men (ministers I meane) had no other marke to ayme at, but the Paps that gaue them suck, and from whence they first received the bread of life. I wish they would follow the Counsell you giue me in your letter, (To improue that which is profitable to them, and cover the rest with loue,) for why should a Son betray his mothers weaknes. Noah his Son lyes still vnder a curse for discovering his fathers shame his brothers eternall blessings for the Contrary. good sir pardon mee, I hope pardonable; I haue pleaded for our mother, which I beseech the almighty god to purge from her errors.

We haue not pressed Mr. Jenner to any manner of Church discipline but to preach and teach as seemeth good to himselfe. The Sacraments we desire to haue administred amongst vs, as beleiving Christians, although great Sinners. at present we doe not moue him to it, but for my parte I profes my selfe to be an opposite to Church Covenant, and Seperacion, holding it sufficient that I am allready a member of the Church of England, and so consequently of the Church of Christ, and soe capeable of the benefitts of his Sacraments. This is my opinion, till I shalbe therof convinced. I will both loue honour, and cherrish Mr. Jenner in his Calling, both for his Function and worth sake, and allsoe to gratifie your selfe, and the rest of my worthy freinds that by gods providence comended him hether. I must confes that I knew nothing of his comming till I saw him, and doe beleiue I should haue refused him whome now I embrace with intire affecion, had not your selfe and Mr. Humfrey encouraged me thervnto by your letters.

It seemes the governour makes a question that Sir Ferdinando Gorges was not in the French wars in his tyme. Capt. Bonython intreates me to write a word or two therof. I beleiue it was before Mr. Dudley his tyme, Sir Ferd: being now nere 80 yeares ould, and he went to those warres very young, and ther he received his honour; I haue often heard him discourse of those warlike accions, and that the King of France himselfe fetched him of from a breach being wounded, either at the seige of Amiens, or before Paris I know not whether.

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Thus ceasing farder to trouble you, with my respectiue to your selfe, I rest, your assured freind and servant

Rich: Vines Saco 25th of January 1640/41
1.

W. 3. 93; 4 Collections , VII. 340–342.

2.

For Thomas Jenner's account of the beginning of his ministry at Saco, see his letters to Governor Winthrop, February 4, 1640/41 (pages 319–320, below), and April 26, 1641 (pages 331–332, below).

Richard Vines to John Winthrop1
Vines, Richard JW

1641-01-25

For Mr. Wentrope
Sir,

Three or2 4 yeares since Mr. Cleiues being in England procured a writ out of the Starr chamber office, to command Mr. Edward Godfrey, Mr. John Winter, Mr. Purches, and my selfe, to apeare at the Counsell tabel, to answear some supposed wrongs Mr. Godfrey went over to answeare for himselfe Mr. Winter and my selfe, and out of the same Court brings a writt to command Cleiues to pay vnto him 20li for his Charges, which he refuses to doe. now Sir Ferdinando Gorges gaue me order to see Mr. Godfrey haue Right in this case. Cleiues sayes we haue nothing to doe, neither haue wee any power to levy money here vpon any writts that come out of England, for he will answeare it from whence it came. I shall humbly intreate your advise herein, what Course is to be taken that I may free my selfe from blame and the malice of Cleiues, who is a Fire brand of dissention and hath sett the whole Province together by the yeares. I make bould to trouble herin, as a case of greate difficultie, desireing your answeare by the first Convenience.

I vnderstood by Mr. Shurt that you desired some gray Pease for seed. out of my smale store I haue sent you a bushell, desiring your acceptance therof, From Your Freind and servant

Rich: Vines Saco 25th Janu: 1640/41
1.

W. 3. 93; 4 Collections , VII. 342–343; G.S. , II. 231–232.

2.

The word in the original manuscript is “of.”

Henry Waltham To John Winthrop1
Waltham, Henry JW

1641-01-25

To the Woorshipfull John Winthrp Esq. Assistant of Newe England deliver in Boston
Woorshipfull,

Maye it please you, I Receaued yours sente mee by Mistris Richards. perseaing of some mise Information of my vnwillingnes 310to pease, I should bee sorrie to profes vnto yow desire of pease, yf it wheare not sinceare, Althoughe my aydge and condition did not calle for it. I haue euer bine vnwilling to bee contentious, much les to nurrishe it. I doubte not but what yow shall here From An Envious persone, shalbe more then this loue, which out of your Innate goodnes maye bee Abused by A longe tonge, ore pen, vntle yow heare both. I doe truly profes vnto yow, I haue Indeauored all I cane for pease; my sealfe and my sonne hauing soffered much with patiance, which ill natures, for private ends (Joyned with pride and Malles) the more Insulte, Roling downe ther power one the deiected, presuming (As it semes) one ther wealth, and I conseaue not without Abusing, in sayeing shee had power giuen her to detayne the Tolle Corne since my sonne deceased, and would not lett vs haue halfe a busall of Corne to make vs Breade, but constrayned to borrowe it. I haue bine soe fare from Reviling her, that I often goe from her, and giue her noe Answare, althoughe shee continewes Ralling, which wilbe to troblesome to Relate att presante. Wheras I am charged to Incoureadge our servants, ore suffer them to carrie them sealfes scournefull to wards her I neuer did, Althoughe shee hath often Abused them, not with ill termes only, but in striking, and distorbing them in ther bussines, vnbeseming a moddeste woamanes carreadge, I should humblie beseace yow to here the differance betwixt vs, and then yow will soune Judge whoe ys in Faulte. I was laste weake with her aboute the deviding the howse, which shee Refuseth to doe, and since I receaued yours haue written her, yf shee please to permit Mr. Neweman, Mr. Parker and Goodman Batts to devide it, maye saue her Jurnie, and refer all other things to the Maiestrates.2 ther are some that would Rente, and some that would buye the Mill, but none will Joine with her, and shee will doe nothing but what shee please her sealfe, wherfore I shall desire some ouer Ruling power maye order it, not doubtting As yow will not see her wronged, soe yow will see shee maye not doe wrong Especially to one in soe dessolate Condition, wherof I am Confidente, doe hartely praye the allmightie to continewe your long lyfe to his Glorie the Contries good and your owne Eternall Hapines, vnto whose protection I leaue yow, and euer reste Your poore freind in all obseruance

Henry Waltham Waymouth, the 25th of the 11 month 1640/41
1.

W. 4. 110; 5 Collections , I. 311–313.

2.

For the action of the Court of Assistants in the disputes between Henry Waltham and Welthian, wife of Thomas Richards, see Records of Massachusetts, I. 313.