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Papers of the Winthrop Family, Volume 3

James Wall to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Wall, James Winthrop, John, Jr.
To his much Respexted Frend mr. John Winthrope sonne to the governer worship in newe Ingland giue this with all speed
Witham in essex this 20 of June 1632 Sir,

I mad bould to write to youe at your going to newe Inland, but I 80knowe not whether you resseved it or noe for I am vnsertane of it: the substance of my writing was to intreat your Favor to be a Frend for me to the governers worship your Father, that he would be pleased to releue me in my wrongs that I sustaind when I was ther and more sence I cam from thenc. when I was ther your Father knoweth howe greatly I am wronged in the over rating of my goods, besids the bed I shuld a lien on was pout done into the hould so I could not haue it and it was reated at 30 or 40s, and I payd att least 20s for beds For want of my owne which the master of the shipe mr. becher knoweth well anof. the wrong that I haue sustained in over reating of my goods and bed came to much more then can be demanded of me, and though I never dennied payment of any, yeet I referr my selfe to the mersy of your Father. I vnderstand your Father the governer haue stayed my bever ther. if he would be pleased to showe me that Faver that he would use his athorryty to geet it in and send it to mr. Tho. Chambers hands of london or any other mans hands whom he shall think Fite I will pay any thing shall be demanded of me from your Father. I am wonderfully wronged in new Ingland, I think more then I should amongst those that knowe not god, as in my beaver my Censman Samuell hosyer knoweth, as sum denneth great part of ther deate in bever others will not pay he knoweth all. if your Father would be plesed to assist him with his authorrity to get it or els I shall be wronged of* it and thay will not pay it, so my poore wife and Childrin must smart for it. also one mr. John Dillingham of yor plantation that had many goods and all the Cowes I was to reseue, and he owed me mony but would not speak me when he was here in Ingland, though he was with in 2 miles of my houghs and spok with som of my Censmen and doeth deetaine part of my deat, pretending that my Cowe he had of me was not worth his mony, when he took my lot and payd not one peny more then I payd. in this I hope your Father will be pleased to feech him to pay his deats being so well able as he is whom I could proue his estat is beter then three times so good as mine is, though he plead poverty, as I am informed. I am informed that the governer will mack men pay ther dewe deats. ther is behind still of his deat 5li, besids the great Charg in Jurniing after it to get that I have in. I would intreat the governor your Father to tack that of him, which he oweth me still, as 5li on the true deat and 5li in Chargis, and I humbly craue the governers Faver that that is my dewe in bever and mony he would be plesed to forse them to pay me and to send it to mr. Tho. Chambers of london for me, and what mony shall be short of that yor Father will haue I will repay afore I tack any goods from him. thus with my humble duty and Sarvis to your Father and your selfe hoping of yor prosperyty and helth craving yor prayers I rest macking over bold with yor 81patiens Committing yee all in to the hands of the allmity Yours in all Sarvis to command tell he seace to be

James Wall

This I pray sho me that Faver to write to me a feawe words of an answer and what your Father the governer will doe.

Endorsed by John Winthrop Jr.: James Wall Recd. Sept: 17.

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W. 1. 95. James Wall is clearly the passenger in the Winthrop Fleet of 1630 whose name in the Governor’s provisional list was deciphered by Savage (1853 edition, 11. 416), as “Mr. Ball.” Wall did not remain in Massachusetts, as appears from the letter Governor Winthrop wrote to John Winthrop, Jr., on July 23, 1630. Winthrop Papers, II. 306.

John Humfrey to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Humfrey, John Winthrop, John, Jr.

1632-06-21

To his worthily respected good freind mr. John Wrinthrop iunior at Boston or else where in Mattachusets Bay
Deare Sir,

I sent you a wavd’e sword as a pledge of my love by goodman Greene passenger with mr. Grant. I pray you doe mee such loving offices as occasion may inable you further to oblige your allreadie engaged freind especiallie put your father in mind to answer two particulars of his letter from mee, which you may see and so know how to bee helpeful to mee therein. I pray you commend my kind respect to your good wife mother and sister So leaving newes and busines to other letters which I know are full of satisfaction in that kind with much respect I rest your trulie loving and much desiring

Jo: Humfrey London June 21th 1632

Endorsed by John Winthrop, Jr.: mr. Humfries. recd. Sept. 17 per mr. Peirse.

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W. 1. 95; 3 Collections , ix. 245–246.

Francis Kirby to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Kirby, Francis Winthrop, John, Jr.

1632-06-22

To his very kind and much respected frend mr. John Wynthrop the younger at the Mattachusets in New England this deliver per mr. Peirce whom god preserue
Laus deo in London 22° Junij, 1632 My kind and much respected frend,

I hartily salute you hopeinge of your good health the recouery wherof I desire siccis faucibus to hear of. You shall god willinge receiue per this bearer mr. Peirce 2 great drie fats marked as in the margin I.W.

At the motion of my brother Downeinge I willingly Condescended (if not 82boldly intended) my selfe to be a third partner with him and you in this parcell of goods, which is such wares as your father gaue advise for, And I haue endeuored to get good and as good Cheap as I Could. the Cloth was provided by my brother Downing and mr. Smith the tayler, and it is such as master Winslow did buy heer to trucke with the natiues. for the rest of the wares if they be not well bought I only must be blamed. You shall find in one of the fats a book sent by my brother Downeinge to his son for his direction to keep a marchants booke and therin also some letters you shall find, and 2 paper bookes for the keepinge of this partable account, the lesser for a memoriall wherin you may write as you shall buy sell or barter, and the broader may serue to post it into by way of Debitor and Creditor if you be so skilfull. but for my part I shalbe carefull to keep all things right and straight heer though in a more rude and playne method for want of skill. The Comodity to make returne of I suppose will be beuer, it beinge almost the only Comodity of that Contry and therin your skill may be lesse then mine a word therfore of direction will be requisite. Note that there is great difference in beuer although it be all new skins for some is very thicke of lether and thin of wooll, which is best discerned by layeinge your fingers on the middle or backe of the skin. 1 pound of deep wooled skins may be worth 2 li. of thin wooled skins. Mr. Peirce brought a parcell for his owne account which was much of it of that bad sort he offered it to mee for 12s per li. and I hear he hath now sold it for 11s or 11s 6d at most also note that the old Coates are better by a third part then new skins are, partly for that they generally dresse the best skins for that purpose, partly for that the lether is thinner and so consequently lighter by dressinge, and partly for that the Course haire is in part worne of from the wooll. but I pray be carefull that you take not old worne otter skins or Coates for beuer, for they ar nothinge worth if they be so much worne that the glossy top haires are decayed, but ther are some good otter skins in Cotes 5 or 6 skins in a Cote, which are sowed together with the tailes on and beinge not perceiued to haue been worne but by the soyleinge of the lether and beinge very black and glossy may be worth 50s per Coate or 10s per skin, you may know the otter skin from the beuer partly by the Fabricke, for the otter is more longe though the tayle be of, and the wooll is more short and of euen haire the glossy haire not much exceedinge the wooll in lenght, but the Course glossy haire of the beuer doth more ouertop the wooll and is more stragleinge and more wild. I haue sent you some paternes of old otters for your better information.

For newes, the most is of the successefull kinge of Sweden who hath now taken all Bauaria. Ingelstad did hold out the longest but is now lately taken. 83Also the prince of Orange hath gotten a stronge towne in Gelderlant Called Venlo a towne of great Consequence for that through it the Spaniard did convey all his provisions vp into Germany. also he hath taken the halfe of a towne in Cleuelant Called Mastich, but not the other halfe it beinge diuided (as it seemeth) by a riuer. and this taken with some difficulty, for Graue Ernste was slayne there and some other Comanders of the Hollanders. I earnestly desire to receiue a letter from you of the Contry and your Condicion there, which I shall receiue I hope per mr. Peirce if not before. I pray remember mee to your second selfe your good father and mother your sisters bretheren my Cosen James with all the rest of mine and your frends. We must intreat you to take Care of these goods and dispose of them. you may imploy my Cosen James in it so far as you thinke fit, but as yet I thinke he is vnfit to take the sole Charge of them. I pray make no bad debts, but rather keep them till you can haue mony or comodity for them.

Francis Kirby

The 2 driefats containe as followeth

li s d
400 paire of shoes cost 2s 4d per paire is 46li 13s 4 but the shoemaker abated in the whole 0 15 0 so we paid for them 45 18 4
18 li. shoe thrid at 1s per pound did cost 00 18 4
5000 large hobnailes at 2s per thousand cost 00 10 0
10000 midle sort at 18d per thousand cost 00 15 0
10000 small sort at 1s per thousand cost 00 10 0
16 peeces of Cloth wherof 1 is white and 15 Colourd cost all they containe about 13 yeards in a peece and is about 3li 4s per peice or 5s per yard 51 00 0
20 li. of Browne thrid and black at 2s per li. cost 02 00 0
2 paper bookes cost 00 02 0
2 fats with nailes to head them cost 00 15 3
paid for cartage to the water side 00 01 2
paid for freight to mr. Peirce 06 00 0
108 09 9

Memorandum by John Winthrop, Jr., on the superscription leaf: Sandever or Sal alcali. In barrells. a barrell of sope ashes. ¼ of 100 tinne: ¼ 100 Copper.

Endorsed by John Winthrop, Jr.: Mr. Francis Kirby received Septemb. 17 per mr. Peirce.

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W. 1. 96; 3 Collections , ix. 246–248.