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1630-11-29
I am sory I can not2 right to thee so cherefully as I should if god had not visited vs with this stroke of my sonnes death,3 the thoughts of him doe so take vp my minde, that I am not fit for other imployment. but it is the lord that hath done it, and we must submit to his will. I did not expect the ende of his dayse had bine so neere, if I had I would haue sent for you, to haue taken your last leaue of him. I thanke the lord he dyed very comfortablely, and was all the time of his sicknes very well affected, and did vse many good speaches to my selfe and others, that gaue vs assurance that he was the child of god, and that god had fitted him for him selfe, he told me the onely cause that he did desyre life for was that he mite gloryfy god, and spend those giufts which god had giuen him to better vse then formerly he had done, with many promyses that if god did spare his life he would neuer folloe the vanytyes of this world. the day before he dyed he sayd that sathan was busy with him to laye some sines to his charge, but the lord gaue him poure against him, so as he told me not many owres before his death, that his fayth was stedfast in god through Jesus Christ for his saluation. I wil not saye any more of him at this tyme, the lord giue vs grace to make good vse of this afflicktion. I receiued thy louing letter by my brother Goslinge and the things you sent this weeke, and I haue nothinge but my thanks to returne to thee. I blesse god for the good nuse from n: e: I send vp mr. Nuttall bond by this bearer. my mother Clopton4 would intreate you that if you sell your brothers land hir cosin Hubbart may helpe you with a chapman for it, or if you let it he desyres to hire some part of it. I thinke longe to heere of my sister Downings recouery. I pray remember my loue to them both, and all my cosins, and thus with my loue and blessinge to thy selfe, desyringe the Lord to keepe thee I rest Your assured louinge mother
this sad time hath made me I haue not spoke with mr. Le but I doe not forgette it but wil at conuenient time know what he will doe.
MS. “non.”
Forth Winthrop, born at Stambridge in Essex December 30, 1609, was buried at Groton November 28, 1630, yet lacking a few weeks of his majority.
Margery (Waldegrave) Clopton, mother of Thomasine Clopton, John Winthrop's second wife.
1630-12-06
I receaued your kind letter, bearing date xijth of August, for which I hartily thancke you, that in the midst of your great trobles (the which I assure my self are verie many,) you will let your penn loose to declare to your Freinds that they are not forgotten. But since the arrival of your letter I haue herd of your heavienes,2 for which with you I bare my share, but I trust that that wilbe an occasion of our seeing you heere in old England the sooner. Sir, ther is litle or nothing that is worthie of newes, but that all things are as you left them, and rather worser then any whit amended. the Gent:3 are still in prison, and tossed from the Kings Bench to the gate howse in Westminster, and from thence to the K. Bench againe: all this since Midsomer last. Vppon Sabboth day last the Articles of Peace with Spaine weare sworne to in great state (as I am informed of) in the Chappell at Whitle-Hall li., but instead of cupbords of plate, which it was vsuallie to be set forth at such tymes, ther weare cupbords of glasses for them, etc.
Yesterday, the Earle of Castle-Haven5 was committed to the gatehowse, close prisoner, (whoe is Jesuitted,) for fowle offences, as I am informed; for noe lesse then buggerie, and for comanding his owne dafter and his ladie for to prostrate themselues to his owne favorite, (one Mr.
I pray present my service to Sir Rich: Saltonstall, with my prayers for him and his; and if ther be one Mr. Ludlowe neare you, I pray remember me to him, and let him knowe his brother is in helth.
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, VI. 32a–32b. “This letter seems to be signed B: G:; but we know not for what those initials stood. Possibly the letters were intended for B: P: The arms on the seal are those of the Burrell Family, of Brome Park, in Northumberland, and also of Dowsby, Lincolnshire, and Ryhall, in the county of Rutland. Richard, the fourth son of William, Lord Say and Sele, and brother to the Countess of Lincoln, married Margaret, the daughter of Abraham Burrell of Wisbech, in the Isle of Ely; and it is probable that the writer of the letter was thus connected with the family of the Earl of Lincoln, into which Isaac Johnson had married.... It may be well to add, that the handwriting is not that of Brampton Gurdon, with the initials of whose name the signature would seem to correspond.” 4
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, VI. 32b, note.
The death of Johnson's wife, the Lady Arbella. Johnson himself died on September 30, but news of his death, it seems, had not yet reached his friends in England.
Those condemned by the court of King's Bench early in 1630 for words and actions in Parliament on March 2, 1629. See supra, page 74; Gardiner, History of England, VIII. 77–122, 224–227. Holles had escaped; Selden was liberated in May, 1631; Eliot was imprisoned in the Tower until his death, November 27, 1632; Benjamin Valentine and William Strode were not released until January, 1640. Only two days before the date of this letter, Dr. John Moseley wrote to Viscount Dorchester, secretary of state, advising him “how it would redound to the advancing of his Majesty's honour, and the promoting of peace with his people, to release those gentlemen who are restrained without the expected submission. There is now a very fair opportunity offered in the solemnity of the peace with Spain.” Calendar of State Papers, Domestic, 1629–1631, 400.
The treaty was signed at Madrid, November 5/15. “Sunday the 5. of December, 1630. a ioyfull Proclamation of peace, was made betweene England and Spaine, and was first Proclaimed neere Pauls Crosse, then at Cheap-side, then at the Royall Exchange, and at the bridge foote, neerc fishstreete, at which were present, the Lord Maior and Aldermen, and the Kings and Herauldes at Armes in their rich Coates, and brauely mounted, and that night the people expressed their gladnesse, by making Bone-fires and ringing of Bells.” Stow, Annales (1631), 1046.
The second Earl. He was found guilty, attainted of felony, and beheaded on Tower Hill, May 14, 1631. State Trials, III. 401–421.