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1629
Before I acquaint you with the occasion of this meeting, I must crave your patience, to prepare you etc.
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We have had divers meetings about the Comittee, our maine businesse hathe been about disengaginge and orderinge the ioint stock wherein the further we waded, the more difficultys we encountered and thoughe we all aymed at one ende and had little difference about the pointes which arose, yet we founde our founde our selues
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2: you may herby doe a good worke, and little hindrance to your selues.
3: if it should proue any losse to you, consider God is able to giue you more then this. Consider that everye man brought to the building of the materiall tabernacle, here is a liuinge to be built.
Consider the difficulty of Plantations, when God himself would transplant Isr
you are the foundation and beginninge of this work:
you are as the family out of which it is derived, a father of a family will not send forth a Childe without a blessing and portion.
you are the roote, whence this branche springes, you see it is weak and tender, easyly Crushed and discouraged
Consider the comparison between vs, you are the onely Cytye, the great176est Churche, etc: this is the onely hopefull plantation whither you consider the persons or the Confederates, God is with vs, his most faithfull servantes are on our side, if our
Consider your reputation, the eyes of all the godly are vpon you, what can you doe more honorable for this Cytye, and the Gospell which you profess: then to denye your owne profitt, that we may saye Londoners can be willing to lose that the Gospell etc.
Consider the confidence we have in you: we had some iealousy at first (the peoples voyce made vs afrayd) but now we are so well perswaded of the sincerity of your intentions etc: as we choose to laye downe all weapons and to caste our selues into your arms
Consider the benefit and comfort you may have by it: cast thy bread upon the waters etc:5 if you find it not that waye, yet what comfort will it be to you, when cupps of cold water shall make vp the account of a disciples reward6 what advantage shall your 100 d.
7 and 50 li doe?
I needed not have vsed these Arguments to drawe your consentes to this pertic
not to presume to muche vpon your patience, this is the some of my mind, it is agreed by the Comittee that the ioint stock shalbe turned over to vs charged with the engagementes, we to give you suche securyty as we are able (for I knowe you will not putt vs to impossibilitys) for repayment of the pertic
That you all who are present may give a free Assent, you see Religion perswades it, nature perswassociates Frinds, that you will declare your Consentes by a cheerfull holding vp your handes.
1639.
“1629 not” are in a later hand. In a still later hand:1629
W. 1. 66. In the hand of John Winthrop. This is clearly a draft of an address made by Winthrop at the adjourned meeting of the General Court on December 1, when the question of turning the joint stock over to ten undertakers for a period of seven years was passed upon by the Company. Records of Massachusetts, I. 61–66. The manuscript was formerly in the Savage Papers.
Numbers, xxxii.
Genesis, xiii. 5–11.
Nehemiah, x. 38.
Ecclesiastes, xi. 1.
Matthew, x. 42.
Matthew, xviii. 28.
1629-12-17
I received your letter by your neighbour, whom I wellcomed into our Society. Wee haue much cause to bee thanckfull for Gods presence still with us. I was with Mr. Downinge this afternoone and agreed uppon the Peticion; Mr. Edsbury2 wee mett withall, who hopes to gett us 20 peece of ordinance and the Charles.3 Touching buyinge of Ordinance ourselves, wee conferred with the master Gunner4 with Capt: Waller5 and Cap: Venn:6 And uppon agitacion wee finde, that the new mettle will quickly heate and reverse, so that we are quite off them, saue only for a Drake or 2; what is determined about them I refer to mr. Pinchions7 narracion, who 178hath beene imployed in the worke since. Touching Mr. Hooker,8 we are not yet resolved what to doe, saue only to write to him, or goe to him, to see whether hee entends to goe or write that wee may doe accordingly. Dr. Ames9 would haue the like respect as mr. Cotton well remembers us off. If others may accompany him, my brother Samuel10 would bee one, who hath beene in those parts with Dr.
Touching mr. Peters15 your caution is good, but I hope wee shall give you content, that his place will not be unsupplyed, nor his coming over offensive, nor dangerous. I shall (God willing) speake to mr. Goffe16 about the cowes, and mr. Wright17 about the caske and provisions to supply vs 179etc. For my modesty (as you call it) it is such as I finde needfull to write oft, that you may pray for mee the more, and expect the less; yet what I am I a
Wee had a Court on Tuesday18 att which was 3 or 4 howres debated whither those that added to their subscriptions before should haue it now fully ended, and after 3 or 4 houres strong debate it was concluded against them, so as now wee shall I hope goe securely on
For that wee are advized by some to haue all our ordinance 8t foote and a half from the base hoope to the muzzell; others and the most to haue none vnder 9 foote to bee so measured, In regard that otherwise they will bee in danger to throw downe the walls of the Fort. But heres the difficulty heere are some, I thinck enough: of 8t foote and of 8t and a half uppon the Tower hill, but those of 9 will hardly or not att all bee gott for the first vioage, so that wee are att a great loss; For some thinck better carry but a few now that are fitt and reserve the other for the last ships, then to carry vnserviceable ones and others thinck better to carry our number, for the feare and noyse of them may doe us good; and they may hereafter serve for some use. Thus you see how hardly I was drawne on this side my paper, and yet now how prolix I am. Pray send us your opinion of this, for it much stumbles us. etc.
W. 2. 13; 4
Collections
, VI. 30–32.
Kenrick Edisbury of Chatham, co. Kent, surveyor of the navy. His sister, Grace, married Joshua Downing of Chatham, one of the commissioners of the navy and brother of Emmanuel Downing. Muskett, 99.
The Charles, a royal ship of 150 tons, was lent to the Adventurers for the Northwest Passage in the spring of 1630, but her provisions could not be made ready in time. Calendar of State Papers, Domestic, 1629–1631, 5, 51, 135, 300, 470.
John Reynolds, master gunner of England. Ibid., 124.
“The worshipful Captain Henry Waller, the worthy commander of the renowned martial band of the honorable city of London, exercising arms in the Artillery,” and an early member of the Massachusetts Bay Company. He died in October, 1631. See Haven's prefatory chapter to the first year of the Records of Massachusetts. Transactions and Collections, The American Antiquarian Society, III. (Worcester, 1857), lxxxiv–lxxxv.
John Venn, captain, afterwards colonel, of the London trainbands, one of the patentees named in the Massachusetts Charter, did not come to New England. He was a member of the Long Parliament and one of the judges at the trial of Charles I. Ibid., lv–lvi.
William Pynchon, an early member and assistant of the Company, founder of Springfield, Massachusetts. See
Proceedings
, LXIV; also Journal, October 23–25, 1630,
notes.
See his letter of December 29, 1629, infra, page 180.
Supra, page note 2note 6
Sir Nathaniel Rich, M. P., an organizer of the Puritan colony of Old Providence in the Caribbean.
D. N. B.
; A. P. Newton, Colonizing Activities of the English Puritans (New Haven, 1914), 80–81.
Captain Robert Gosnold, commander of the forts at Landguard and Harwich. Calendar of State Papers, Domestic, 1628–1629, 191–192; 1629–1631, 494.
The drawings made by Winthrop's son are possibly those to be found at the rear of the first manuscript volume of the Journal. See The Victoria History of the County of Essex, II. (London, 1907), 272, and illustration, 294.
Hugh Peter.
Thomas Goffe of London, merchant, named deputy governor of the Company in the Charter. Haven, Transactions, American Antiquarian Society, lxxii–lxxiii. See Journal, April 10, and October 29, 1630, also Ford, Ed., History of Plymouth, II. 32, note 5.
Nathaniel Wright, merchant, active in the early affairs of the Company. Haven, Transactions, American Antiquarian Society, lxix–lxx.
December 15. Records of Massachusetts, I. 66–67.