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Papers of the Winthrop Family, Volume 1Note: you've followed an index reference to a note that, due to changes between the print and digital editions, may no longer be on page 286. Please look at all notes at the end of the document or documents on page 286.

Forth Winthrop to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Winthrop, Forth Winthrop, John, Jr.

1623-08-26

To my verie louinge Brother Mr. John Winthroppe at Trinitie College neere Dublin giue thes Ireland
Most louinge brother

the longe absens of my wrightinge to you may make you ether thinke the bond of brotherlie loue is broken in me or else that vngratfulnes which to god is most detestable, hath possessed my mind, or rather that sum impediment of siknesse or any other diseases by gods iust iudgment for my sines and offenses hath befalen vpon me. But thankes be to the Almightie, that thow my sines hath caled for great punishment yet through his great goodnes he hath remoued them from me: I could not therfore at this time hauinge so fitt an oportunitie and so honest a messenger but take the occasion not knowinge when I shal haue shich a fitt opportunitie for as the poet saith

Fronte capillata, post est occasio calua:2

so if I should neclect this occasion perhaps I might seldome or neuer enioy the like. I therfore in hast wright to you desiringe you that you will not be greaued because I haue omitted and lett passe the time so longe, because I haue nott had a fitt and good one to send bye: I wright now therfore to you desieringe you that you wold send me word of the wellfare of your seelfe and of my ante with you for with vs ther is a verye great desease and at Cambridge many of the scholers are sike of another siknes. Therfore I the rather wright vnto you to know whether it be so with you also. Thus I remembring my loue hartilie to my ant and also to your seelfe in hast I rest

my host and my hostisse remember ther loue to you and also Abraham Calie for he came from Cambridge a littell while before. Mr. Gurdon3 the elder is departed verie latlie out of this life: Youer louing Brother

Forthe Winthroppe 286

I praie brother send me word whether you receiued the letters which I sent you sines Whitsontide or noe: lastlie I praie wright to me as speedilie as you can:

Burie Snt. Edmondes. Agust 26. 1623:
1.

W. 1. 8; L. and L. , I. 190–191; 5 Collections , VIII. 188–189.

2.

Cato, Disticha, bk. ii, dist. 26 (on p. 28 of W. J. Chase’s edition).

3.

John, son of Robert and Rose (Sexton) Gurdon. Muskett, 286.

John Winthrop to Margaret Winthrop1
Winthrop, John Winthrop, Margaret

1623-09-27

To my very lovinge wife Mrs. Winthrop the younger at Groton Suffolk DD.
My deare wife,

I have wanted opportunitye to write vnto thee of our arrivall and successe. I prayse God we came safe hither on fridaye at night and have euer since continued in healthe, but have doone nothinge in our businesse because the Court was farr from London at Theobals, and now is remoued to Hampton Court, whither we are goeinge this morninge, and because we can goe and come by water, we have sent backe our horses, for we suppose we shall not be dispatched yet this weeke. I praye God send vs good successe, that we may each of vs returne to our owne home with ioye and thankfull heartes to him who hathe kept and prospered us: yet we have cause to feare the worst, in regarde that all thinges are so farre out of order, and that the sinnes bothe our owne and of the whole lande doe call for iudgementes rather then blessinges: but our comfort is that our God is riche in mercie, and that his thoughtes are not our thoughtes etc, therefore his will be doone: I shall thinke longe for our dispatche that I may returne, for my heart is with thee and thy companye. my brother Fones hathe been very ill of the gowte, but (God be thanked) he is now somewhat amended, she growes very bigge, they bothe desire to be remembred to thee and to my mother, so dothe my brother Downinge: we remember Groton every meale, and in our best imploymentes we are not unmindfull of you: The Lord guide all our heartes to seeke him and trust in him allwayes Amen.

For newes heere is little certaine: there came one out of Spaine on mundaye, who brought word to the Kinge that the Prince was within 2 dayes iournie of the Shippes when he lefte him, and that he is neither maried nor contracted:2 heere is muche speeche of the change of many 287great officers, which wilbe knowne within this weeke, and I hope to write3 to thee againe within these fewe days. And so for this tyme beseechinge our good God to blesse and keepe thee and all our familye, and to give vs opportunitye to meet with comfort and to make better vse of his mercies, to love and serve him as we ought, with the best remembrance of my true love to thy sweet selfe and our deare babes, with my love and dutye to my mother, and kinde salutations to Mr. Sandes and all our good neighbours, I embrace thee in the love of a faithfull husband and will ever remaine Thine onely

John Winthrop

I sende you 13 papers of pinnes and needles. You may give my mother some of bothe. The needles which are marked are the best. There is in the box 2 pr. of Spectacles for my mother.

London. Septemb: 27. 1623.
1.

W. Au. 18; L. and L. , I. 401*–402.*

2.

The proposed Spanish marriage, of Charles, Prince of Wales, and Maria, Infanta of Spain, came to nothing in the end. Inojosa, the Spanish Ambassador at London, was pressing the King for the price—pardon and dispensation for the Catholics—when rumor indicated a return of the Prince from Madrid “as nakedly from all relations as he went.” Charles sailed from Santander on September 18 and landed October 5 at Portsmouth. Calendar of State Papers, Domestic, 1623–1625, 80 et al.

3.

MS. repeats ‘to write.’