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Papers of the Winthrop Family, Volume 1

Forth Winthrop to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Winthrop, Forth Winthrop, John, Jr.

1623-04-17

To his most louinge Brother Mr. John Winthroppe at Trinitie Coll: nere Dublin give thes Ireland
Most louinge Brother

I receiued youer letters the 16 of Aprill wherby I perceiued your great loue and respect towards me which alwaise hath binne: I thank you for your good admonitions which you in your letters sent mee for to alwaise goe on as I haue begunne knowinge that althou the waie to lerninge seeme verry hard and dificult yet the frute and end is sweet and pleasant. I hope althou the distans of place hath set vs one from another yet nether sea nor land nor any thinge else can part our affections one from the other: I had an intention to haue written to you by one of Bury that went ouer but he went ouer so speedilie as I cold nott haue time to wright: but hauing so fitt an opportunitie I will wright. I wold I cold find matter wherin I might expresse my mind to you: for sich are our sinnes to god as they dailie cry for vengans vppon vs and so littell loue or charitie one to another in thes daies as it is gods mercy that we are nott consumed: but to retturne to the purpose: you wrote to me to send you word of what forme I am of and how I like: I am of Tho: 280Chalmans: for when as I came first Mr. Ward did putt mee to my choise whether I wold be of Jermin Wrights or the other now Jermins classe was so forward in Greke grammer as I cold verry hardly haue ouertaken them so I wold be of the louer forme: we came vp into the hie ende last christide: As for my likinge of itt who cold mislike of sich a place hauinge sich kind vsage att schole: and I giue most hartie thanks to Almightie God for that he hath disposed it so for my good and benefight: As for our Borders Tho: Wright and his Brother are gone to Cambridge: thaie went a fort­night before Ester; none else but Abraham Caly of whom before I wrote to you: All our Frends are in good helth onely our grandmother is nott very well: Our grandfather is departed out of this miserable life to a perpetual rest: When as I came last from my master Mr. Dikenson he was in good helth and sent commendations to you. So did Mr. Ward: Mr. Dikenson is married last Ester: his wife is bigge with child reddy to be delivered if nott she bee already: William Harbone is gone to Cambridge: he went that daie that Thomas wright went: William Hall went to Cam: 2 monthes before; and Edmund Maier went to bee admitted then toe but he cold nott William Smith went to Cambridge this Easter: the 2 classe as I suppose shall be turned to the hy one: Charles Neuton is gone to Cambridge verry latly but of what college he is I cannot learne: Henery Bridon sendeth salutations to you:

I am in good health I praise god for it So are all our frends so far as I can learne our new Brother Deane is well praised be god for itt:

Thus hauinge nott more time I committ you to the almightie Jehoua:

Your louing brother Forth Winthroppe Groton: Aprill 17 1623

as for the printed booke of quarters which you wroght word of I cannott redilie find it nor how surely send it. but my father will find it and send it to you by my Vncle Gostling who will come shortly:

Remember me to my vncle and ante Downinge and to Richard:

1.

W. 1. 7; L. and L. , I. 188–190; 5 Collections , VIII. 186–188.

John Winthrop to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Winthrop, John Winthrop, John, Jr.

1623-04-20

To my loving sonne John Winthrop at the Colledge in Dublin Ireland dd
Sonne John,

the blessing of the Lord be vpon thee and vpon thy studyes vnto a most happie successe. I received divers letters from thee 280

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281since Christyde, and I haue written 3. I hope thou hast receiued them before this. I blesse God, and am heartyly refreshed to heare of thy healthe and good liking especially to see those seedes of the feare of God which, (I hope and dayly praye) will arise to tymely fruite, he who hath begunne that good in you will perfect it vnto the day of the Lord Jesus: onely you must be constant and fervent in the vse of the meanes, and yet trust onely to Godes blessing.

I was purposed to deferre writing to you till your vnckle Gostlin should have come, but his iourney being putt off on the suddaine, I am enforced to borrowe of the night to write these fewe lines vnto thee. Concerning thy charges I haue written my minde in a former letter, but lest that hathe miscarried, knowe that my good persuasion of thy tender regarde of my estate, and confidence of a sober course shall make me to extend my selfe to the farthest of my abilitye for thy good, be it 30 li. per annum or more if occasion be, and tho’ I haue sent over no monye all this tyme, it was not throughe any neglect of thee, but vpon that assurance which I had of thy vncle and aunt their care of thee, he himselfe willinge me to sende no monye till he sent for it, and now since Mr. Goad is dead, I knowe not to whom to paye it but make you no question, for (God willing) I will discharge every groat, and for your apparrell and books, I finde it so difficult and troublesome etc to sende things ouer as I would wish you to provide there for the present.

I have writen to your vncle of the change that it hathe pleased the Lord to make in our familye,2 the Lord give vs and you to make a right vse of it. tyme will not permitt me to write more. your grandmother and mother salute and blesse you. remember me very kindly to your good tutor and mr. Downes etc. your loving father

J. Winthrop Aprill 20 1623.

Send me worde in your nexte how Mr. Olmsted and that plantation prospers. I wish oft God would open a waye to settle me in Ireland, if it might be for his glorye. Amen.

Commende me to my litle cosins and to my goddaughter Susan Nutton to Richard and the rest of the family.

1.

W. 7A. 10; Savage (1825), I. 340–341; (1853), I. 408–409; L. and L. , I. 178–179.

2.

The death of his father, Adam Winthrop, March 28, 1623.