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Forth Winthrop to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Winthrop, Forth Winthrop, John, Jr.

1622-09-02

To his very louing brother mr. John winthropp at Dubling in Ireland

god be Immanuell with vs and Jesus2

Louing brother

I receiued youer letters the 19 daie of Agust. by which I doe vnderstand youer singular loue to mewarde and that althou the distans of place hath seuered vs one from another: Yet I trust that neither sea nor land can braek of na diminishe our tru loue and affection one towardes each other which hath euer bene and I trust that the sone shall cease hir corse before our loue shall be abolished: and as we doe thus loue one an other, how vnfaniedly shold we loue god for his sonne Jesus Christe he loued vs when we weare enimies not breathren How, how I saie shold we loue him: let vs take heede that we lose not our first loue as laodicea did, or begin well with the galatians but shold not goe on well, but shold haue cause for to feare with the Apostell least we weare turned from god: and I hope mountaines or hills shold soner be cast into the sea, then that we shold lose our first loue: Let vs follo the thing which Solomon sayth in his Booke Remember thy creater in the daies of thy youth before the evil daies come let vs do as Esaie the proffit sayth Wash you mak you cleane, Turne you from your euill waies, and thow youer sines weare as crimsin yet will I mak them as snow if we belong to god: god sayth the keeper of Israell nether slumbereth or sleepeth yet god will haue his to suffer afflictions euin as the church is alowed for to mak vs fitt: but I shall forget to wright to you of the things which I haue to wright: for as concerning your wrighting to me about my going to bury: I am not yet gone thither but I purpose by gods grace for to goe about next Ester it may be soner or later: Abraham Caly3 is not as yet gone to cambridg but he was admitted at ester he is of St. Johns colledge and he purpos to goe the next spring all our friends here about are in good helth

Thus desiring you for to writ to me of your welfare and of your frends I rest Your brother in all loue to command

Forthe Winthrop. Groton this 2 of Sept. 1622. 274

Charles neuton4is not yet gone to Cambridg nether is admitted but he hopes of great matters but I think they will prove but vaine: next ester he hopes to get a place which I hope may prove good for him in the end he shall be a good scholar

1.

W. 1. 6; L. and L. , I. 186–187; 5 Collections , VIII. 184–185.

2.

“It was a common practice, in the olden time, to write these sacred words as a caption to a letter, running them along the top of the successive pages.” L. and L. , I. 186, note.

3.

Abraham Caley, M.A. 1629; ordained priest, 1629; rector of Rayleigh, co. Essex, 1644–62 (ejected); preacher of Gray’s Inn, 1662; died before March 13, 1678–79. Venn, A. C. , I. 282.

4.

Charles Newton, admitted at age of seventeen at Caius, April 12, 1623; B.A. 1627–28; rector of St. Michael Bassishaw, London, 1642–45; died 1645. He was son of Charles Newton, woollen-draper, of Groton, and Susan, daughter of Philip and Alice Gostlin. Venn, A. C. , III. 251; supra, p. 77.

Forth Winthrop to John Winthrop, Jr.1
Winthrop, Forth Winthrop, John, Jr.

1622-09

To his verry louinge Brother Mr. John Winthropp at Dublin in Ireland at the College. DD.
September, 1622. Louing Brother,

You wroght to me for to send you word of my going to Bury and I sent you word as far as I knew about Ester time: but hauing knowledg of my father I now wright to you about that matter. For he tould mee about michaelmas or soone after: The reason I know not but as you know: nunquam sera est ad bonos mores via so althou it weare long before I goe yet at leanth seein I goe it is sum comfort vnto mee:

and as you wroght to mee ons which I thank you for: for to comfort mee and incorag mee to goe on in the corse of learning: and shewed me the reason off it: nam sine doctrina vita est quasi mortis imago: which is a most true sainge for many men which in ther youth haue neclected learning and goodnes: in ther age when as it shold doe them any na most good and steed then thay crie out of all of ther parents themseuls and all and wish that thay had neuer seene the sunne: is not this a woofull cause and worthy to be taken heed of:

I pray you to send me word So soone as you haue a good occasion of the welfare of your and our frendes thus hauing at this time no more to writ remembring our loue to you I rest Your louinge Brother

Forthe Winthrop

My vncle Fones is about remouing but he is not as yet settled there he hath gotten him a place at Ipswich a hous wher Mr. Ward dwelt in I pray you remember mee to my Vncle and Ante Downing also to Richerd his man Finis

1.

W. Au. 17; L. and L. , I. 187–188; 5 Collections , VIII. 185–186.

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