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Robert Treat Paine Papers, Volume 4

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To Elbridge Gerry
RTP Gerry, Elbridge
Providence March 27th. 1778 My dear Sir,

With assiduous & plodding Industry we have at last got thrô the Examn. into the causes of the failure of the Rhodisland Expedition, as we were not called upon to give any Opinion So we have not presumed it—by the Course of the Examinn. it appears that Several persons have endeavored to thrô the blame on Brigar. Palmer, but a little attention will Shew he was not the cause of the failure but that it arose from the following Causes among others; vizt. the want of a proper naval Command to Embark transport & debark the Troops, a business wch. no military officer as such has anything to do with— 2dly. the want of Tents or Sufficient covering for the Troops within convenient distance so as to be able to collect them in convenient season, this was one grand & fatal Cause— 3dly. the Expedition falling so late in the Year as to be distressed with a most rainy Season, which obliged the Troops to take Cover for wch. they were obliged to Scatter 20 miles long & 7 or 8 wide, the collecting them together from So great a distance was exceedingly harrassing to the Troops, had a tendency to discourage them & unfit them to proceed immediately 28 on such an Expedition— 4thly. a want of Confidence in the Officers one to another & of the men to all of them wch. took place by degrees soon after the whole Army was formed, notwithstanding all which it is genrally supposed that had they gone on with any Spirit they must have carried the point. Genl. Palmer has introduced a State of facts & observations by way of Defence, it affects him exceedingly to think his Character is attacked; I can but hope from the knowledge I have of his early constant & very great political merit that he may not be thought blame worthy. I believe it is genrally thought that one Cause of the failure was a want of Abilities for Such an Undertaking where they Should have been, rather than real cause of blame any where; Genl. as for Genl. Palmer it appears plainly that from a zeal to promote the Cause he undertook more than the Strength of his body was equal to wch. might occasioned the appearance of neglect in Some respects—you know him & will make such representation as you think proper upon the whole the Expedition was undertaken I hope the whole will issue to general Satisfaction.

The Regulating bill hangs by the Eye lids in our house, a Cmttee. of the whole of both houses after long Consultation agreed to adopt it by 54 out of 86, I think & it was soon after a Cmttee. was appointed to bring in a bill, but the Small Pox breaking out in Boston & the Court having Sat for a long while they adjourned to April 1st. at Roxbury. Rhodisland & N Hampshire wait to see what we do, Connecticut have passed it I wish to hear what they do to the Southward.

I wrote you in my last that we had recd. of the Continental Agent at Providence our Actual Expenses for the Business of Enquiry & wished to know who is to pay us for our trouble, we have done the same this time & we want to know whether we are to have any allowance for our labour wch. has been very great, we sat day after day from 8 in the morning to 8 or 9 at night, & the neglect of our own affairs has been more damage than any allowance I can Expect, but as this business was not undertaken for the Sake of gain we are very willing to be treated in Such manner as Congress have done in like Cases. I have been 14 days Mr. Elsworth 24 & Mr. Marchant 19 days on the business which may serve as a guide for allowance. Inclosed I send a Virginia six shilling one dollar, wch. pray get chang’d for me. With my best Respects to our brethren

I rest yr. freind. &c., RTP

P:S pray let me hear from you on this Subject.

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Dft. ; internal address: “To hono. Elbridge Gerry Esq. at Congress.” Endorsed in another hand: “To Elbridge Gerry—Providence March 27. 1778. On the Causes of the failure of the Rhode Island Expedition.”

From Elbridge Gerry
Gerry, Elbridge RTP
York in Pennsylvania 27th. March 1778 My dear Sir,

I am much obliged to You for a particular Relation of the principles upon wch. the Convention at N Haven proceeded, in forming their Resolutions relative to the fixing Prices; Congress have been so much engaged since the Receipt of the Acts of the Convention, as not to have been able to express their opinion upon them, but I have not heard fm. any Gentlemen the least Hint of Disapprobation, & for my own part think You have conducted upon true principles of policy. I fully agree with You upon the Salutary Effects wch. would result from lessening the Quantity of Money in Circulation, & wish to have your Opinion upon the Expediency of attempting to take from the Continental Currency 15 or 20 Millions of Dollars, by stopping the Circulation & obliging the Holders to invest their Money in Loan office Certificates; this is in agitation & inter nos, I shall endeavour to push it thro. I need not assure You, that nothing shall be wanting on my part, to urge the States to a Compliance with the Resolution of Congress for taking their Money out of Circulation, since I have ever entertained the most sanguine Hopes from such a Measure.

I am glad to find that the Commissioners are in Earnest upon the Business of investigating the Causes of the shameful Failure of the Expedition against Newport, & hope that they will be able to give a good account of the Matter. Congress have passed a Resolution relative to the Time & Expence of the Commissioners, copy of wch. is inclosed: it is certainly reasonable right that the former should be considered as well as the latter, & it appears the Commissioners must be the judges of a Reasonable allowance.

Congress have not received Returns from the Southern Conventions of their proceedings upon the regulating Business, whenever they there is a Delay in the Business Matter & I am not yet informed of the Cause of it.

With respect to General Burgoyne & the other prisoners of the Convention, the Council of M Bay are desired to make a proper Disposition of them & have full powers for this purpose.

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I want to say much more on many Subjects but a Call from am obliged to attend the House on a Business of Importance & conclude wth. my best Respects to all Friends, yours very sincerely,

E. Gerry

RC ; addressed: “Hono. Robert Treat Payne Esq. At Boston On publick Service E Gerry”; endorsed.