Papers of John Adams, volume 19

From John Adams to John Jay, 9 October 1787 Adams, John Jay, John
To John Jay
Dear Sir Grosvenor Square October 9, 1787

France appears at this Moment, in the Light of a Simple People Sincerely disposed to Peace, benevolence and Humanity, and judging of the dispositions of others by her own. She seems by her late Glory and Prosperity to have been Soothed into a Security and Tranquility, out of which it is Scarce possible to awaken her. England on the other hand appears, like a Nation Smarting under her Wounds, but covering her designs with a Veil of deep Dissimulation, while she was exerting her utmost Craft to obtain an opportunity of Gratifying her Resentment. We need not look farther for the Cause of the present Strange Appearances than the Diplomatic Arrangements of the two Nations.— Never was there a Time, when able and Attentive Men were so neccessary for France at the Courts of 180 London, and the Hague as at the late Peace. The Comte de Vergennes should have Sent to both Places, Men of the most inlarged Capacities, and dilligent Attention to the whole System of Europe. The Marquis de Verac, is as honest a Man, and as well intentioned, as he could have found. But I believe every Man who knows him will agree with me that a Gentleman more unqualified for his Mission could not have been found.1 The Comte D’Adhemar, has an elegant Figure an handsome Face, and is a Favourite of the Ladies but whether from his unfortunate paralitick stroke, or from his having no Turn for the Business of State, he appears to have been inattentive, not only to the affairs of Europe in General but to those of England and Holland. The Spanish Minister has been extreamly Attentive to make his Court to the Royal Family and the Ministry here, and has been so successful as to obtain the Kings request, that he might be promoted to the Rank of a Marquis at home, and to that of Ambassador here: but to Speak freely to you as I ought, he does not appear to me to know or care any Thing much about the System of Europe.—2 The French Chargé too, who is an ingenious Man and well behaved, has had the good fortune to recommend himself to this Court So as to be, promoted to the Rank of Min. Plen. at their Instance.—3 I have ever been upon good terms with all these Gentlemen, and have no personal dislike to any of them: but I cannot but See and lament the Causes, which appear to have contributed to a Catastrophy, So outragious to the Rights of Mankind, and So humiliating, to the best Friends We have or ever had in France Holland and Spain.— I must confess that Favouritism, at the Court where he resides, in an Ambassador, of any denomination, is in my Opinion a fatal Objection against him: because I know it to be impossible to be obtained without the most criminal Simulation on one hand, or Negligence or something worse of the Interests of his Constituents on the other. There is a great difference between being esteemed and beloved: between being upon decent, civil and respectable Terms, and being taken into the Arms and embraced. Whenever and Wherever this is seen in Negotiations, Something may justly be suspected to be amiss.— unfortunately too Monsr. de st. Priest, who has been long in Constantinople, and had a great Reputation for Ability and Success, in former Negotiations, was recalled at a most critical Time.—4 England on the Contrary, Appears to have been meditating a Blow, even when the Nation were generally expecting the Commencement of the Millenium from the 181 Operation of the Commercial Treaty.— She has Sent her Shrewdest Men to Versailles and the Hague. She appears to have been intriguing at Constantinople as well as in South America. She has been forming a League in Germany: and maintaining her Navy on a formidable Footing.— France may be as indifferent as she will about Holland, but that will not Secure her Peace. The English cannot See, without inward Rage and Fury, I might say without Terror and dismay, the Works at Cherbourg. and Let Hollands fate be what it will. Let The Turks be disposed of as you please. in my Opinion France must demolish Cherbourg and Spain Set South America at Liberty, or there will be War. The Passions of this Nation are at present in a Flame; I hear Such a Language even in the Streets, and in Booksellers shops, the only Scænes of popular Politicks into which I think it prudent to venture, that I am confident a War is not far off.— The Rage of this nation amazes me.— With a Gulph and a Precipice of public Ruin before their Eyes they are ready to take the Leap with Joy. The most interesting Question for Us is whether We shall be neutral.? This is undoubtedly our Wisdom. and Congress and the states will take the most decided Measures to prevent our People from giving any Provocation. They will no doubt forbid in the most effectual Manner any of their Citizens from Serving on board the Ships of either Nation, much less from taking Commissions and committing depredations. But will all this preserve our Neutrality.? It is my Duty to be explicit upon this occasion, and to say, that Although the British Government may pretend and even Sincerely endeavour, to avoid a quarrel with the United States at the Commencement of the War, yet if they Should Obtain any signal Successes at first, which it is not improbable they may, there will arise Such a Spirit of Domination and Insolence in the Nation, as will stimulate Hostilities, against Us. It is my duty therefore, to advise, that the best Preparations, for our own defence and Security be made, that is in our Power.

The Detail of Affairs in Holland is too dismal, to be repeated. The News Papers contain Accounts melancholly enough. The Plebeians and the Monarch are too closely connected, in Holland, to be overcome by the Patrician Aristocracy, and no rational Plan of a Reformation of their Government has been concerted by the People or their Leaders. It is a repetition of the Catastrophy of all ill constituted Republicks, and is a living Warning to our United States.

With great Regard I have the Honour / to be, dear sir your most obedient / and most humble servant

John Adams
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RC (PCC, No. 84, VI, f. 535–538); internal address: “His Excellency John Jay Esqr / Secretary of state &c.” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 112.

1.

Charles Olivier de Saint Georges, Marquis de Vérac, served as French ambassador to the Netherlands from 1785 to 1787 ( Repertorium , 3:126).

2.

Bernardo del Campo y Pérez de la Serna served as Spain’s minister to Britain from 1783 to 1795 (same, 3:432–433).

3.

Except for a brief hiatus, François Barthélemy had served as the French chargé d’affaires in London since July 1784 ( AFC , 6:311).

4.

François Emmanuel Guignard, Comte de St. Priest, served as French minister to the Ottoman Empire from 1768 to 1784 ( Repertorium , 3:142).

From John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 9 October 1787 Adams, John Jefferson, Thomas
To Thomas Jefferson
Dear Sir Grosvenor Square Oct. 9. 1787

I Sent you a Copy of my Second Volume by Mr Barthelemy the French Chargé here now Minister, with a Letter about Money matters. in your favour of Sept. 28. you dont mention the receipt of them.—1 I have indeed long thought with Anxiety of our Money in the hands of our Friends, whom you mention, and have taken the best Precaution in my Power, against Accidents.— I do not consider the Game as up.— But a disgrace has happened, which is not easy to get rid of.— Disgrace is not easily wiped washed out, even with blood. Lessons my dear Sir, are never wanting; Life and History are full. The Loss of Paradise, by eating a forbidden Apple, has been many Thousand years a Lesson to Mankind: but not much regarded. Moral Reflections, wise Maxims, religious Terrors, have little Effect upon Nations when they contradict a present Passion, Prejudice, Imagination, Enthusiasm or Caprice.— Resolutions never to have an hereditary officer, will be kept in America, as religiously, as that of the Cincinnati was in the Case of General Greens Son.—2 Resolutions never to let a Citizen ally himself with Kings, will be kept untill an Opportunity presents to keep violate it. if the Duke of Angoleme, or Burgundy, or especially the Dauphin Should demand one of your beautiful and most amiable Daughters in Marriage, all America from Georgia to New Hampshire would find their Vanity and Pride, So agreably flattered by it, that all their Sage Maxims would give Way: and even our Sober New England Republicans would keep a day of Thanksgiving for it, in their hearts. if General Washington had a Daughter, I firmly believe, she would be demanded in Marriage by one of the Royal Families of France or England, perhaps by both. or if he had a son, he would be invited to come a courting to Europe.— The Resolutions not to call in foreign Nations to settle domestic differences will be kept untill a domestic difference of a Serious nature shall break out.— I have long been Settled in my own 183 opinion, that neither Philosophy, nor Religion, nor Morality, nor Wisdom, nor Interest, will ever govern nations or Parties, against their Vanity, their Pride, their Resentment or Revenge, or their Avarice or Ambition. Nothing but Force and Power and strength can restrain them. If Robert Morris should maintain his Fortune to the End, I am convinced that Some foreign Families of very high rank will think of Alliances with his Children.3 If the Pen Family should go to America, and engage in public affairs and obtain the Confidence of the People, you will see Connections courted there.— a Troop of Light Horse from Philadelphia meeting Dick Pen in New Jersey, will Strike the Imaginations of Princes and Princesses.—4 how few Princes in Europe, could obtain a Troop of Light Horse to make them a Compliment of Parade. in short my dear Friend you and I have been indefatigable Labourers, through our whole Lives for a Cause which will be thrown away in the next Generation, upon the Vanity and Foppery of Persons of whom We do not now know the Names perhaps.— The War that is now breaking out will render our Country, whether she is forced into it, or not, rich, great and powerful in comparison of what she now is, and Riches Grandeur and Power will have the same Effects upon American as it has upon European minds. We have Seen enough already to be sure of this.— a Covent Garden Rake, will never be wise enough to take Warning, from the Claps caught by his Companions. When he comes to be poxed himself he may possibly repent and reform. Yet three out of four of them, become even by their own sufferings, more shameless instead of being penitent.

Pardon this freedom; it is not Melancholly: but Experience / and believe me without reserve your Friend

John Adams.

o tempora—oh mores 5

RC (DLC:Jefferson Papers); internal address: “Mr Jefferson.”; endorsed: “Adams John.” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 112.

1.

JA sent a “Sett” of his Defence of the Const. on 16 Sept., along with a letter of introduction for the bearer, John Brown Cutting. JA solicited Jefferson’s opinion on the work and asked him “whether it is worth my while to write a third upon Confederations &c.” (Jefferson, Papers , 12:124).

2.

Following Gen. Nathanael Greene’s death in June 1786, the Society of Cincinnati resolved that his eldest son, George Washington Greene (ca. 1776–1793), be adopted as a member at the age of eighteen, but he died before reaching the age of admission. Despite recent concerns about the society’s support of hereditary power and JA’s belief that American citizens would block it, the Greene decision caused little or no stir. A “perfectly astonished” JQA wrote to JA on 30 June 1787 that the Cincinnati “are not immediately dangerous, and there are so many other difficulties that engage the attention of the public; nothing is said, or done upon the subject, and they are suffered to take their own course: a free people always were & always will be ready to 184 strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel” (vol. 16:104–105; Jefferson, Papers , 25:135; AFC , 8:98).

3.

Robert Morris defaulted on his exclusive tobacco contract with the French Farmers-General, triggering his bankruptcy and eventual imprisonment in Philadelphia’s Prune Street prison for debt from 1798 to 1801 ( AFC , 12:409).

4.

Richard Penn, former lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania, was elected to Parliament in 1784 from Appleby and served there until 1806 (vol. 18:404).

5.

O the times! O the customs!