Papers of John Adams, volume 17

The Baron von Thulemeier to the American Commissioners, 3 May 1785 Thulemeier, Friedrich Wilhelm, Baron von American Commissioners
The Baron von Thulemeier to the American Commissioners
Messieurs, à la Haye le 3 Mai 1785.

Les ordres du Roi que je viens de recevoir, me mettent à même de vous fournir, Messieurs, les éclaircissemens que Vous m’avez demandés par la lettre dont Vous m’avez honoré en date du 14. de Mars de l’année courrante.1 Sa Majesté veut bien agréer l’Article 19. tel qu’il a été minuté en dernier lieu: “que les vaisseaux armés de l’une des deux nations pourront entrer avec les prises faites sur leurs ennemis dans les ports de l’autre, en ressortir librement, ou les y vendre.”

Elle se flatte que les Etats-Unis de l’Amérique apprécieront cette condescendance, et y reconnoîtront le desir de Sa Majesté de Leur donner des preuves de Son Amitié, d’autant plus qu’Elle ne fait point équiper des vaisseaux en course, et que Ses Sujets ne sont par consequent pas dans le cas de faire des prises sur mer.

Le Roi se prête également à laisser subsister la clause ajoutée à l’Article 19, “que tout vaisseau qui aura fait des prises sur les Sujets de Sa Majesté Très Chrêtienne ne sauroit trouver un asile dans les ports ou havres des Etats-Unis.”2

Sa Majesté consent aussi que l’Article 4. du Traité soit minuté ainsi que Messieurs les Plénipotentiares Américains me l’ont proposé par la lettre ci-dessus mentionnée, hormis qu’on rétablira les mots de Sujets et Citoyens qui se trouvoient dans le Contre-Projet, au lieu personnes ou de tous et un chacun; et qu’on omettra le passage: “que le présent Article ne dérogera point aux loix de la Ville de Königsberg, qui défendent le commerce entre Etrangers dans l’enceinte de sa jurisdiction”; le droit d’étape de la Ville de Königsberg n’ayant été allégué que comme un exemple pour servir d’éclaircissement, et pour faire sentir la nécessité de la clause générale des Articles 2. et 3. “se soumettant néanmoins aux loix et usages y établis,[] &ca. 3

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Je me félicite de pouvoir regarder la négotiation que j’ai eu l’avantage de traiter avec Vous, Messieurs, à peu près comme terminée. Les Etats-Unis de l’Amérique envisageront certainement l’empressement avec lequel le Roi souscrit aux différentes altérations du Projet du Traité de Commerce, comme un nouveau motif de protéger et favoriser le négoce et les liaisons que les Sujets de Sa Majesté formeront avec les Citoyens de la République. Il ne me reste que de Vous proposer, Messieurs, s’il ne conviendroit point de faire mettre au net le Traité même, afin que muni de notre Signature en conformité des pleinpouvoirs qui se trouvent entre nos mains, il puisse être échangé avec les formes usitées.4

J’ai l’honneur d’être avec la considération la plus distinguée / Messieurs, / Vôtre très humble et très obéissant Serviteur

de Thulemeier
TRANSLATION
Sirs The Hague, 3 May 1785

The king’s orders, which I have just received, offer me the chance to provide you, sirs, with the clarifications for which you asked me in the letter with which you honored me dated 14 March of the present year.1 His Majesty is willing to agree upon Article 19 in the way it was last composed: “that the armed vessels of one of the two nations will be allowed to enter the ports of the other with the prizes taken from their enemies, leave again freely, or sell them there.”

His Majesty flatters himself in believing that the United States of America will appreciate this deference, and will recognize in his gesture His Majesty’s desire to give them signs of his friendship, insomuch as His Majesty is not having any vessels armed for battle and as his subjects are consequently not in a position to take prizes at sea.

The king also accedes to keeping in the clause added to Article 19: “that no vessel which shall have made prizes on the subjects of His Most Christian Majesty shall have asylum in the ports or havens of the United States.”2

His Majesty also consents that Article 4 of the treaty be drafted in the form proposed to me by the American plenipotentiaries in the aforementioned letter, except that the words subjects and citizens shall be restored which had been in the counter-draft, in lieu of persons and one and all, and that the following passage shall be omitted: “that the present article will not infringe upon the laws of the city of Königsberg, which defend commerce between foreigners within the limits of its jurisdiction”; the law of intermediation of the city of Königsberg having been cited only as an example for the purpose of clarification, and to make felt the necessity of the 88general clause of Articles 2 and 3: “deferring nonetheless to the laws and customs there established,” etc.3

I am proud to be able to consider the negotiation which I had the gratification to treat with you, sirs, as more or less complete. The United States of America will certainly recognize the eagerness with which the king subscribes to the different alterations of the draft of the treaty of commerce, as a new inducement to protect and promote the trade and liaisons which the subjects of His Majesty will develop with the citizens of the republic. It only remains for me to ask you, sirs, whether it would not be agreeable to have the treaty itself drawn up, so that, ratified by our signature in conformity with the authority invested in our hands, it may be exchanged in accordance with the proper forms.4

With the most distinguished consideration, I have the honor to be, sirs, your most humble and most obedient servant

de Thulemeier

RC (PCC, No. 86, f. 255–258); internal address: “Messieurs, Adams, Franklin & Jefferson, / Ministres Plénipotentiaires des Etats- / Unis de l’Amérique, à la Cour de S. M. T. C. / à Paris.”; endorsed: “Hague May 3d. 1785 / from / Baron de Thulemeier”; notation: “N. 6.” The notation refers to the enclosure of Thulemeier’s letter in the commissioners’ 11 May letter to John Jay, below.

1.

On 14 March the commissioners responded to Thulemeier’s letter of 24 Jan., which enclosed the Prussian proposals for changes to the draft Prussian-American treaty that the Americans had submitted to him on 10 Nov. 1784 (vol. 16:403–413, 414–420).

2.

The commissioners’ concern over Art. 19 was the need for an explicit reference to the prohibition against the entry into American ports of prizes taken from French subjects contained in Art. 19 (as originally numbered) of the 1778 Franco-American Treaty of Amity and Commerce (Miller, Treaties, 2:16–17). Here the Prussians waived their objections and returned to the original wording of Art. 19 of the Nov. 1784 draft, and it so appeared in the final treaty of 3 Sept. 1785 (same, p. 175; vol. 16:389–390).

3.

For the commissioners’ comments on Art. 4 and the additional language that they drafted in response to the Prussian proposals, see vol. 16:414–417. That passage, with the changes suggested by Thulemeier here, was incorporated into the 3 Sept. treaty (Miller, Treaties , 2:165–166).

4.

The revised treaty, in English, was enclosed in a 26 May letter to Thulemeier from Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, JA by that time having arrived in London (Jefferson, Papers , 8:165–166). The only additional proposal was that in Art. 28 the blank space indicating the duration of the treaty be “filled up with the number ‘ten,’” the maximum term prescribed by the commissioners’ instructions of 7 May 1784 for any treaty they negotiated (vol. 16:195).

To John Jay, 4 May 1785 Adams, John Jay, John
To John Jay
Sir Auteuil near Paris May 4. 1785

The day before Yesterday I received the Letter you did me the Honour to write me on the Eighteenth of March, inclosing a Commission, Instructions and Letter of Credence to the Court of Great Britain, and a duplicate of your Letter of February 11. with the Ratification of the Loan in Holland1

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The Appointment to the Court of Great Britain demands my most grateful Acknowledgments to Congress and the Utmost Care and dilligence in the Execution of it. I am happy to See, by the Resolution of March the Seventh that a Minister is to be appointed to Succeed me, at the Hague, both because a Minister will be necessary there, and because that the Minister in London will find Employment for all his time and Should devote himself wholly to the Duties of that Mission.2 as no Letter of Recall is as yet arrived to me, I am a little perplexed. I have been a Witness of So much Friendship to the United States and have experienced So much Kindness to myself in Holland that I ought not finally to quit that Country, without taking Leave of their High Mightinesses, even if established Forms had not rendered Such a Ceremony indispensable.

There is no time to be lost, unnecessarily, in executing the Instructions of Congress, but you are very Sensible, Sir, of the Necessity of taking leave of this Court and of the foreign Ministers here, and of the time which Such a Formality takes up. it will therefore be longer before I can be in London, than you may wish, perhaps five or Six Weeks. in the meantime Coll Smith I hope will arrive, with the additional Informations, and I may take Such measures as I can to prepare the Way before Us. the Duke of Dorsett has offered me all the Service in his Power, and professes to wish me Success.3 It may not be useless for me to See Mr Harris at the Hague.4

The Instructions are perfectly agreable to my own Inclinations, but it would be my Duty to carry them into punctual Execution, to the Utmost of my Power, if they were not So. it is not the first Time that a public Trust of some importance has been committed to me: but I dont know that any, ever made a deeper Impression upon my Spirits or gave me, more Serious Reflections. To do my Duty to our Country and her Allies, and reconcile the Americans and English upon Principles and Terms which may give Satisfaction to all, is no easy Task. I can promise nothing but Industry. the Prospect of Success is far from being encouraging. The Measure of Sending a Minister was become indispensible. Congress will have tryed the Experiment, and done all that in the opinion of the World was incumbent upon them. and if the English Nation perseveres in Obstinacy and Delusion, the United States will be fully informed of it, and have it undoubtedly in their Power to do themselves Justice. The Resolutions of New York and Rhode Island, the former laying heavier Duties upon Brittish Ships and Merchandizes and the latter adopting 90the Impost of five Per Cent if the public Papers inform Us truly, are Symptoms of a Spirit rising in America, which will either make the English friendly to Us, or their Enmity a Blessing.

The Comte D’Aranda told me Yesterday that your Packet to Mr Charmichael, was gone to Madrid.

I forgot to mention, in its place your Letter of March the fifteenth. The Confidence you express is mutual, which I esteem one of the happiest Circumstances of my whole Life. I have not the Honour to be personally known to Mr Smith, but he Shall receive from me all the Regard which becomes the Relation between Us.

With Sincere Esteem, I have the Honour to be / Sir, your most obedient and most humble / Servant

John Adams.—

RC (PCC, No. 84, V, f. 389–392); internal address: “The Honourable John Jay Esquire / Secretary of State.” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 107.

1.

For Jay’s letter of 18 March and the enclosed commission and instructions dated 24 Feb. and 7 March, respectively, see vol. 16:529–530, 548–549, 571–572. The enclosed letter of credence has not been found. For the duplicate of Jay’s 11 Feb. letter, see the descriptive note to that letter, same, p. 518–519. And for the enclosed duplicates of the contract for JA’s 1784 loan and instrument of ratification, both printed in vol. 16, see same p. 80–85, 511–512.

2.

JA learned of Congress’ 7 March 1785 resolution to appoint a replacement for him as minister to the Netherlands from an enclosure to Jay’s letter of 15 March (vol. 16:566), which he mentions in the final paragraph of this letter. For Congress’ unsuccessful efforts to make such an appointment, which resulted in JA remaining minister until 1788, see note 1 to the 15 March 1785 letter; but see also Jay’s letter of 3 Aug., below.

3.

In his Diary entry for 3 May (JA, D&A , 3:175–176), JA describes his visit that day to Versailles where the Comte de Vergennes congratulated him on his appointment to Great Britain, to which JA replied that he thought “it merited Compassion more than felicitation.” He also recounted a conversation with John Frederick Sackville, 3d Duke of Dorset, during which the British ambassador indicated that “if he could be of any Service to me by Writing either to publick or private Persons he would do it with Pleasure.” The two men agreed to meet on Saturday the 7th to discuss further JA’s mission to the Court of St. James, for which see JA’s 13 May letter to Jay, below. Although aware of JA’s election as minister, Dorset did not receive a formal notification of the appointment until the commissioners wrote on 16 May, below.

4.

That is, Sir James Harris, former British envoy to Russia and, since Dec. 1784, British minister to the Netherlands ( Repertorium , 3:166, 171).