Papers of John Adams, volume 17

621 To Charles van Notten, 29 November 1785 Adams, John Notten, Charles van
To Charles van Notten
Sir Grosvenor Square Novr. 29th 1785

I have received your Letter of Yesterday and I wish it were in my power to give you a Sattisfactory answer, and to remove all your apprehensions for the fate of your Friends. but it is not I have not any reason however to increase them as I have not received from America any Intelligence like that you mention to me. If the Article of the 15 of August from N Y—which you Saw, was in an American Gazette, there would be more foundation in it, for your fears, than if you Saw it only in an English Gazette, where Forgery is So constant and ingenious a Writer, that it is Sometimes difficult to distinguish his Paragraphs from those written by Truth— There is no Subject upon which more political Invention is employed than this of Emigrants and Emigrations to America, they seem to be sensible of the Happiness enjoyed in that Country, from the plenty of Land Constant employment, abundance of Provisions, and other circumstances, as to be affraid that these three Kingdoms will be depopulated, by all the Inhabitants crossing the Atlantick.

To discourage the People from Such thoughts they hesitate at no falshood whatever.— They have no regard to the feelings of friends upon such occasions— I Sincerely hope that this may be a fiction and your friends Safe and Happy

Let me just add that I wonder that Emigrants from Europe should be fond of pushing out into the Wilderness—beyond the Utmost Limits of our settlements when they might provide for themselvs much better, in the oald settled Parts of the Country where the Inhabitants are numerous and there is no danger of Indians or any other Enemies

I have the Honour to be Sir Yrs. &c &c—

LbC in AA2’s hand (Adams Papers); internal address: “Mr Charles Van Notten / Devonshire Square—”; APM Reel 111.

From C. W. F. Dumas, 29 November 1785 Dumas, C. W. F. Adams, John
From C. W. F. Dumas
Monsieur Lahaie 29 Nov. 1785

Je dois réponse aux honorées vôtres des 1er. & 10 du court.

J’écris ce fois à Mr. Cerisier afin de savoir pourquoi l’insertion n’a pas encore été faite de la piece que j’ai envoyée il y a 12 à 15 jours 622à Mr. Luzac, & pour le presser de me renvoyer l’original & sa traduction imprimée, pour pouvoir vous retourner le tout selon vos ordres.1

J’ai fait grand plaisir Aux Amis, en leur lisant les beaux complimens que vous avez eu la bonté de me com̃uniquer, & qu’ils ont très-fort goûtés, ainsi que moi-même. Nous avons tous senti la multitude d’idées renfermée dans les trois premiers, & l’extrême simplicité du dernier. Tous font bien leurs complimens à votre Exce. ainsi que Mr. De Sanafé à qui j’ai expliqué ce qui le regarde dans votre Lettre du 20.

Je vous remercie, Monsieur, de la boñe nouvelle de l’arrivée de Mr. votre fils; com̃e aussi de celle de Mr. Franklin, à qui vous voudrez bien acheminer dans votre premier paquet la ci-jointe, qui est le juste retour d’une d’adieu qu’il a eu la bonté de m’écrire au mois de Juillet, en partant de Paris.2

Nous partageons sincerement le plaisir de la bonne santé & société dont vous jouissez avec Mesdames Adams, à qui nous présentons nos homages.

Je ne suis pas surpris des difficultés que recontre l’affaire dont vous me parlez. Si ce qui leur arrive ici ne les rend pas plus traitables avec vous, je ne saurai plus qu’en penser.

Mr. H——s continue de supposer que je n’existe pas. Je dois continuer de supposer de mon côté qu’il ne veut pas me connoître. Il me connoît pourtant: car Jeudi passé il sut fort bien dire mon nom à quelqu’un qui le lui demandoit, à un grand Souper que donnoit Mr. le Cte. de Maillebois, & dont j’avois l’honneur d’être. On vint me le dire à l’oreille un instant après. Je ne parle de cela, au reste, que parce que je crois qu’il est bon, Monsieur, que vous sachiez jusqu’aux minucies à cet égard, & aussi pour que je ne puisse jamais être taxé d’avoir manqué à mon devoir. Je suis avec grand respect, De Votre Excellence le très-humble & très-obéissant serviteur

Cwf. Dumas

Le Congrès verra par l’incluse pour lui, que la France ni la Hollande n’oublient pas, jusque dans leurs réjouissances, que les Etats-Unis sont leurs bons Alliés.3

TRANSLATION
Sir The Hague, 29 November 1785

I must reply to your honored letters of the 1st and 10th of the current month.

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I am writing to Mr. Cerisier this time to know why the insertion has not been made of the document I sent twelve to fifteen days ago to Mr. Luzac, and to urge him to send me the original and his printed translation, to be able to return the whole thing to you, per your request.1

I pleased my friends greatly by reading them the kind compliments which you had the goodness to transmit to me, and which they greatly appreciated, as did I. We all sensed the abundance of ideas in the first three, and the extreme simplicity of the last one. All kindly send their compliments to your excellency, along with Mr. De Sanafé, to whom I explained the matter that concerned him in your letter of the 20th.

I thank you, sir, for the good news of the arrival of your son, and also of Mr. Franklin, to whom may it please you to forward the enclosed letter in your first parcel, which is the proper response to the farewell message that he had the graciousness to write to me in July upon his departure from Paris.2

We sincerely share with you the pleasure of good health and company which you enjoy with the Adams ladies, to whom we present our respects.

I am not surprised by the difficulties encountered in the affairs you speak of to me. If what befalls them here does not render them more amenable to you, I will not know what to think.

Mr. Harris continues to assume that I do not exist. I must continue, in turn, to assume that he does not wish to know me. Yet, he does know me, for Thursday last he was quite able to tell my name to someone who had asked it of him, at a grand dinner that the Comte de Maillebois was hosting, and which I had the honor to attend. This was whispered to me a moment later. By the way, I mention this simply because I think it good, sir, that you know even the minutiae of this matter, and also so that I might never be reproached for having neglected my duty. With utmost respect, I am your excellency’s most humble and most obedient servant

Cwf. Dumas

Congress will see from the enclosed letter, that though they rejoice, neither France nor Holland forgets that the United States are their good allies.3

RC (Adams Papers); internal address: “à Son Excellence Mr. J. Adams, Esqr., Min. Plenipo:”; endorsed: “Dumas 29. Nov. / 1785.”

1.

Antoine Marie Cerisier, JA’s longtime friend and former editor of Le politique hollandais, was currently employed at Jean Luzac’s Gazette de Leyde (vols. 10:276; 16:56). Dumas was inquiring about Jesse Dunbar’s deposition taken in regard to the Stanhope Affair, for which see James Bowdoin’s 10 Aug. letter, and note 3, above; and AA’s detailed account of it to Thomas Jefferson in AFC , 6:437–438. JA had enclosed a copy for publication in the Gazette with his 10 Nov. letter to Dumas (LbC, APM Reel 111). The French translation of the deposition appeared in the Gazette de Leyde of 6 December.

2.

This is almost certainly Dumas’ 29 Nov. letter to Benjamin Franklin, responding to Franklin’s letter of 5 July (both PPAmP: Franklin Papers). In his letter Franklin indicated that he was returning to America and expressed his appreciation for Dumas’ service to the United States for which he had “not hitherto been properly rewarded.” In his reply, Dumas indicated his happiness that Franklin had arrived safe in America and his 624hope that Franklin would present Dumas’ case to Congress, noting that if he was appointed the American resident, it would save Congress the cost of a minister. To support the proposal, Dumas indicated his intimacy with the French ambassador, the Marquis de Vérac, and the Comte de Maillebois, commander of the Dutch Army. Dumas also reported the signing of the Austro-Dutch Treaty of Fontainbleau and the Franco-Dutch defensive alliance.

3.

This is probably Dumas’ 25 Nov. letter to the president of Congress (Nationaal Archief: Dumas Papers, Microfilm, Reel 2, f. 767–768). The major portion of the letter reported on a dinner given by Vérac on the previous day to celebrate the signing of the Franco-Dutch alliance. The event was attended by Dumas and his fellow Patriots Cornelis de Gyselaar and Engelbert François van Berckel, and various foreign ministers and government officials. Among the toasts offered was one to the United States. Dumas also indicated that he and the friends of the United States were awaiting Congress’ formalization of Dumas’ status in the Netherlands.