Papers of John Adams, volume 16

John Adams to Thomas Cushing, 25 October 1784 Adams, John Cushing, Thomas
To Thomas Cushing
Dear Sir Auteuil near Paris Oct. 25. 1784

Within a few days I have recd your Favour of the 16 of August, with the Resolve of the General Court of the 6 and 7 of July.

The Line between Massachusetts and Nova Scotia gave me much Uneasiness at the Time of the Negotiation of the Provisional Articles, and Still continues to distress me. I knew that the French in former Times, had a Practice of erecting an holy Cross of Wood upon every River they had a Sight of, and that Such Crosses had been found on the Banks of all the Rivers in that Region. and that Several Rivers, for this Reason were equally intituled with any one, to the Appellation of St. Croix. St. Johns River, had a Number of those Crosses and was as probably meant in the Grant to Sir William Alexander1 and in the Charters of Massachusetts as any other. I would accordingly have insisted on st. Johns as the Limit.— But no Map or Document called St. Johns, St. Croix, nor was there one Paper to justify Us in insisting on it.— The Charters, the Grant to Alexander, all the Maps and other Papers agreed in this that St. Croix was the Line between Massachusetts and Nova Scotia. My Colleagues thought they could not be justified in insisting on a Boundary which No Record or Memorial Supported and I confess I thought So too after mature Reflection, especially as the British Ministers insisted long on Kennebeck and to the last Moment on Penobscut and We found their Instructions upon this Point were So rigorous, that they could not have agreed to St Johns without 348 Sending another Courier to England, a Loss of Time which would not only have hazarded but finally lost the whole Peace for that Year, as I fully believe.

We had before Us, through the whole Negotiation, a Variety of Maps, but it was Mitchells Map, upon which was marked out the whole of the Boundary Lines of the United States, and the River st Croix which we fixed on, was upon that Map the nearest River to st. Johns.— so that in all Equity, good Consciance and Honour, the River next to st Johns should be the Boundary.— I am glad the general Court are taking early Measures, and hope they will pursue them Steadily, untill the Point is settled, which it may be now amically. if neglected long it may be more difficult.

It is reported here that the Indians are at War with the English, which is the Excuse given out for the neglect of evacuating the Posts upon our Frontier near the Lakes. Sir John Johnsons Conference may be intended to make Peace in order to the Evacuation, which could not easily be performed, in Sight of hostile Indians.2 I cannot believe that the British Ministry, mean to violate the Treaty in this Point, because it must bring on a War, which none of them would be willing to take upon himself, at present.

I was once upon a Committee with Mr Bowdoin and drew a State of the Claim of the Province, to the Lands now called Vermont, and I learn by a Letter from Mr Dalton that the Report in my Hand Writing has been lately before the General Court.3 it contains all I ever knew upon the subject, and much more than I now remember.

LbC (Adams Papers); internal address: “Lt Governor Cushing.”; APM Reel 107.

1.

This is the poet and statesman Sir William Alexander, later the Earl of Stirling (1567?–1640), to whom James I granted Nova Scotia in 1621 ( DNB ).

2.

Reports of war between Native Americans and the British in the Great Lakes region were false, though fear of retaliatory attacks if the British were to abandon their Indian allies to American overlordship was one variable in the complex calculations that led the British to retain the posts that they had agreed to turn over in the 1783 Anglo-American definitive treaty. JA’s reference to the rumors may be owing to his having seen James Madison’s letter to Thomas Jefferson of 15 Sept. 1784, which Jefferson had received on the previous day. There Madison referred to a reported attack by Native Americans on the British at Fort Michilimackinac and their refusal to negotiate with Sir John Johnson (vol. 15:249; Ritcheson, Aftermath of Revolution , p. 167; Jefferson, Papers , 7:421–422).

3.

See Tristram Dalton’s 6 April letter, above.

C. W. F. Dumas to John Adams, 26 October 1784 Dumas, C. W. F. Adams, John
From C. W. F. Dumas
Monsieur, Lahaie 26 Oct. 1784

Depuis quelque temps, & plus les apparences de guerre se fortifient, plus je me trouve obséde, tant par des Americains que par 349 des Hollandois, pour leur procurer des Lettres de mer Américaines. Il m’est aisé de me défaire de ces derniers, quoiqu’ils reviennent toujours à la charge, en leur disant que cela n’est pas en mon pouvoir, & en leur promettant d’en écrire à V. E. Mais il n’en est pas demême des Américains, qui se plaignent hautement de ne pas trouver ici le recours auquel ils ont droit de s’attendre. Ils disent qu’ils ne sauroient faire leurs affaires, sans être assurés d’être aidés sur le champ, lorsqu’elles viennent à l’exiger; & je conçois qu’ils ont raison.— Entre autres il s’est présenté un Mr. C. Dutilh Marchd. de Rotterdam, & Jn. Veder patron de Navire, accompagnés de Mr. La Baussaie Agt. de France. Ils m’ont fait voir une Procure de Mr. Et. Dutilh, leur parent, Négt. établi à Philadelphie, chargeant le dit Mr. C. Dutilh d’acheter un Vaisseau pour compte de lui E. Dutilh, que le dit Jn. Veder, qui m’a produit son Acte de Bourgeois de Philadelphie, devoit com̃ander & conduire avec la cargaison qu’on y mettroit, à Philadelphie.— Après avoir consulté nos amis là-dessus, & notam̃ent Mr. De Berenger, qui m’on dit que je ferois mal de ne pas prendre sur moi d’aider ces gens, je leur promis de leur donner une Déclaration, qui pût servir de Lettre de mer, s’ils m’exhiboient l’Acte légal & authentique de la Vente du Vaisseau, autrement nom̃é ici transport, & le Manifeste de sa Cargaison. Quelques jours après ils l’ont fait; & en conséquence je leur ai donné (NB. gratis, ce dont j’ai la déclaration signée du Capitaine) une Déclaration, dont voici copie, dans laquelle j’ai suivi le plus exactement possible le modele qui s’en trouve dans le Traité de Com̃erce conclu ici par V. E. J’ai seulement omis l’apostrophe aux Empereurs, rois, &c. qui eût été absurde de ma part.1 Ce Vaisseau est déjà en route pour Philadelphie.

Un autre Américain, que j’ai promis d’aider sous les mêmes conditions, & qui peut revenir d’un jour à l’autre me som̃er de lui tenir parole, c’est Mr. Wildick, Citoyen & propriétaire de terres en Pensylvanie, & d’un Vaisseau nouvellement bâti à Philadelphie, dont il m’a fait voir les Actes, lequel m’a été recom̃andé par le Col. Senf. Mr. Wildick m’a observé, que si je ne voulois pas l’aider en cela, des Négociants Anglois profiteroient des Marchés que lui ne pourroit conclure en ce cas.

J’ai déjà donné connoissance de l’un & l’autre cas dans mes dernieres Lettres au Président du Congrès.2 En attendant, com̃e cela ne laisse pas de m’inquiéter, quoique j’aie cru faire pour le mieux, je prie V. E. de vouloir bien m’écrire le plutôt possible votre sentiment là-dessus; & s’il y a de l’inconvénient à le faire à l’avenir, de 350 m’autoriser à refuser la chose à d’autres qui pourront se présenter.3

Quant aux Hollandois, l’honnêteté veut que je puisse aussi leur alléguer les raisons au moins de mon impuissance à leur faire plaisir.

Par exemple, je ne sais que répondre à Mess. Wm. & Jn. Willink, qui me demandent par Lettre pressante du 12, “si je pourrois leur procurer des papiers Américains pour leur Vaisseaux, qui se trouvent actuellement dans differents ports, afin d’obvier aux obstacles que les circonstances actuelles peuvent occasionner; me priant instam̃ent, si cela étoit faisable, de les informer des particularités qui y sont attachées, pour ne jouer qu’à coup sûr, & pour prévenir toutes sortes d’empechemens.” Un autre Négociant, Mr. Beud, connu de V. E. dit-il, est venu exprès de Rotterd, me consulter sur pareille affaire.— Enfin Mr. Gallois, Courtier de Vaisseaux à Amstm., m’est venu parler aussi, & puis m’a envoyé le Mémoire ci-joint, afin d’y avoir une réponse, que je lui ai fait espérer de la part de Votre Excellence.4

Dans ce moment je reçois une Lettre de Mr. R. Wildick d’Amstm., qui allegue, qu’il n’est pas juste de faire aux Américain des difficultés ici, qu’on ne leur fait point en Amériqe., où il leur est permis de prendre pour Capitaines de leurs Vaisseaux des gens habiles de toute nation. Mr. Brush m’a confirmé cela.— Il se plaint aussi des droits considérables qu’il faut payer en ce pays pour acheter légalement un Vaisseau, & voudroit les épargner. Je lui réponds sur cet Article, qu’il ne dépend pas de moi de dispenser les Américains de ces droits du pays; mais que je ne saurois lui donner Déclaration qu’il demande, S’il ne me produit l’Acte de Vente passé légalement devant le Magistrat, qui fasse voir que le Vaisseau est vraiment de propriété Americaine.

TRANSLATION
Sir The Hague, 26 October 1784

For some time, and all the more so as war becomes more likely, I have been importuned equally by Americans and Dutchmen to procure them American sea letters. It is easy for me to get rid of the latter, although they always try anew, by telling them that it is not in my power and promising them to write to your excellency about it. But it is not the same with the Americans, who complain loudly of not finding here the recourse that they have a right to expect. They say that they cannot conduct their business without being assured of receiving help immediately when they call for it, and I believe they are right. Among others who presented themselves were 351 a Mr. Christian Dutilh, merchant of Rotterdam, and John Veder, owner of a ship, accompanied by Mr. La Baussaie, an agent from France. They showed me a power of attorney from Mr. Étienne Dutilh, their parent, a merchant in business at Philadelphia, directing the said Mr. Christian Dutilh to purchase a vessel on the account of Étienne Dutilh, which the said John Veder, who showed me his certificate of residency from Philadelphia, was to command and conduct, with a cargo that he was to put aboard, to Philadelphia. After consulting our friends on this matter, notably Mr. Bérenger, who told me that it would be bad for me not to take it upon myself to help these people, I promised to give them a declaration, which could serve as a sea letter, if they would produce the vessel’s legal and authentic bill of sale, otherwise known here as the transport, and the cargo manifest. Several days later they did so, and in consequence I gave to them (n.b. free of charge, for which I have a receipt signed by the captain) a declaration, a copy of which is enclosed, in which I followed as exactly as possible the model found in the treaty of commerce concluded by your excellency. I omitted only the apostrophe to emperors, kings, etc., which would have been absurd on my part.1 This vessel is already en route to Philadelphia.

Another American, whom I promised to help under the same conditions and who any day may call upon me to keep my word to him, is Mr. Wildick, citizen and owner of lands in Pennsylvania and owner of a vessel newly built at Philadelphia, for which he showed me the legal documents, and who was recommended to me by Col. Senf. Mr. Wildick observed to me that if I did not wish to help him in this matter, then English merchants would profit from the deals that he could not make.

I have already reported on both cases in my last letters to the president of Congress.2 While waiting, as this does not cease to worry me, even though I did what I thought was for the best, I beg your excellency to be so kind as to write to me as soon as possible your opinion on this matter and, if there is some disadvantage to doing it in the future, to authorize me to refuse the thing to others who might present themselves.3

As for the Dutch, honesty demands that I should at least give them the reasons for my inability to accommodate their wishes.

For example, I do not know how to respond to Messrs. Wilhem and Jan Willink, who asked me in an urgent letter of the 12th “if I could procure for them American papers for their vessels, which are now to be found in various ports, in order to obviate the obstacles that present circumstances could give rise to, earnestly entreating me, if it was possible, to inform them of the particulars involved so that they might act without risk and forestall all kinds of impediments.” Another merchant, Mr. Beud, known to your excellency, so he says, came from Rotterdam expressly to consult me about a similar affair. Finally, Mr. Gallois, shipbroker at Amsterdam, also came to speak with me and then sent me the enclosed memorandum in order to obtain a response, as I led him to hope, from your excellency.4

Just now I received a letter from Mr. R. Wildick of Amsterdam, which 352 urges that it is not right to create difficulties for Americans here that they do not face at all in America, where they are permitted to take on as captains of their vessels able people of every nation. Mr. Brush confirmed this. He also complains of the considerable duties that one must pay in this country to legally purchase a vessel and would like to save them. To that point I respond that it does not rest with me to exempt Americans from the duties of this country, but I would not know how to give him the declaration that he asks for, unless he produces for me the bill of sale legally passed before the magistrate, which shows that the vessel is truly American property.

RC and enclosures (Adams Papers); internal address: “Paris à S. E. M. Adams M. P. des E. U.”; endorsed: “Mr Dumas. 13 Oct. / 1784.” The endorsement refers to the date of the enclosures, for which see note 1.

1.

The enclosures with this letter in the Adams Papers are copies of the sea letter that Dumas issued for the Dispatch, Capt. John Veder, on 13 Oct. and the receipt that Veder gave in return on the same day ( Dipl. Corr., 1783–1789 , 3:521–522, 528–529). Dumas’ sea letter differed from the form appended to the 1782 Dutch-American Treaty of Amity and Commerce (vol. 13:378–379) not only by omitting the ceremonial salutation but also by citing evidence of the nationality of the vessel beyond the simple oath of the captain, including the bill of sale and the certificate of cargo.

2.

Dumas explained how he came to issue a sea letter for the Dispatch in a letter to the president of Congress that he wrote on the same day—13 Oct. 1784—and with which he enclosed another copy of Veder’s receipt (PCC, No. 93, III, f. 55, 63; Dipl. Corr., 1783–1789 , 3:521–522). He noted his promise of a sea letter to R. Wildick on the same proof of American citizenship and ownership in a 16 Oct. addendum to his 12 Oct. letter to Congress (PCC, No. 93, III, f. 46–47; Dipl. Corr., 1783–1789 , 3:522).

3.

JA responded to Dumas’ plea for guidance regarding the issuance of sea letters in his 3 Nov. reply, below.

4.

This enclosure, not found, consisted of a series of questions asked by Amsterdam shipbroker Theodore Gallois regarding sea letters and other ship’s papers for American vessels. For a copy of the questions and JA’s answers, see his 3 Nov. letter to the president of Congress, below. Gallois received a sea letter from Dumas for the Porpoise, Capt. Miles Casson, on 25 Nov., for which see Dumas to JA, 1 Dec., and note 2, below, and Dipl. Corr., 1783–1789 , 3:532–534.