Papers of John Adams, volume 9

Leray de Chaumont to Joseph Mathias Gérard de Rayneval: A Translation, 16 June 1780 Chaumont, Jacques Donatien, Leray de Rayneval, Joseph Mathias Gérard de

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Leray de Chaumont to Joseph Mathias Gérard de Rayneval: A Translation, 16 June 1780 Chaumont, Jacques Donatien, Leray de Rayneval, Joseph Mathias Gérard de
Leray de Chaumont to Joseph Mathias Gérard de Rayneval: A Translation
Sir Passy, 16 June 1780

I have had a conversation with Mr. Adams that is of sufficient interest that it should be brought to the attention of His Excellency M. the Comte de Vergennes. I have the honor of sending you a summary that you would have the goodness to place before the minister if you judge that it merits his attention. I thought that Mr. Adams, being isolated from Mr. Lee, would see things differently from when he was under Lee's influence.1 It appears, however, that Mr. Adams persists in believing, as I have often seen, that when France finds itself at a peace conference it will be obligated to America for the achievement of its objectives and that it is honorable to publicly maintain such an opinion that in my view is totally outrageous.

You have said nothing regarding the plan that I submitted for supplying America. But, sir, it should be considered whether there is a need for all those supplies and personnel in order to assist the English, as one perceives from news reports, in their endeavors to increase the number of Tories, already very considerable.

I have the honor of being with the most perfect devotion, sir, your very humble and very obedient servant.

Leray de Chaumont 433

RC and enclosure (Arch. Aff. Etr., Paris, Corr. Pol., E.-U., vol. 12); endorsed: “envoye la relation d'une conversation avec M. Adams du celui ci pretend la france a beaucoup d'obligation l'Amerique” and “M. de Chaumont.”

1.

This statement reveals the extent to which Vergennes and those around him misapprehended JA's view of the French alliance and his motives in responding as he did to French complaints about the revaluation of the currency. Certainly JA, as is clear from his past statements detailing his efforts to occupy the middle ground between Benjamin Franklin and Arthur Lee, would have been distressed to learn that anyone believed he was influenced by Lee (see indexes for these volumes as well as for vols. 6 through 8).

Enclosure: Leray de Chaumont to Joseph Mathias Gérard de Rayneval: A Translation, 17 June 1780 Chaumont, Jacques Donatien, Leray de Rayneval, Joseph Mathias Gérard de

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Enclosure: Leray de Chaumont to Joseph Mathias Gérard de Rayneval: A Translation, 17 June 1780 Chaumont, Jacques Donatien, Leray de Rayneval, Joseph Mathias Gérard de
Enclosure: Leray de Chaumont to Joseph Mathias Gérard de Rayneval: A Translation
17 June 1780

Account of a conversation that I had with Mr. Adams the day before yesterday.

I went to see Mr. Adams to inform him of the news from Cádiz,1 which fulminated against the American congress for having set the value of its paper dollars at the rate of forty for one dollar in specie. I observed to Mr. Adams that the commerce justified the complaint, especially since the French merchants, who have sold the merchandise at three times its original cost, have consequently suffered losses because the original cost makes up only an eighth of what is owed from North America because of transportation costs and the double risks of war and independence. I added that many merchants would be shaken by such a flouting of their engagements should the congress not reconsider its action of March by adding a declaration in favor of those European merchants who have glimpsed the good that will proceed from the bad.

Mr. Adams responded that the congress' action was both very wise and very just,2 that those who complained were the agents or spies of the English 3 who would have the injustice of treating the Europeans differently from the Americans, who from the first have recognized that in the American commerce the French have less to complain about than the others because it reflects the most far-reaching advantages for France because without America, to whom France cannot have too much obligation, England would be too strong for the house of Bourbon, and that had America, Russia, Denmark, Sweden, Portugal, and Holland joined in a confederation against England the merchants who will go bankrupt would be enchanted to have the pretext of the revaluation of the paper money, that the congress had been forced into this revaluation by the refusal of the credit that they had requested from their European allies.4

I swear that this response has been strongly implored to me and that we ought to have full confidence that Mr. Adams expresses the American view.

The content of all or some notes that appeared on this page in the printed volume have been moved to the end of the preceding document.

RC and enclosure (Arch. Aff. Etr., Paris, Corr. Pol., E.-U., vol. 12); endorsed: “envoye la relation d'une conversation avec M. Adams du celui ci pretend la france a beaucoup d'obligation l'Amerique” and “M. de Chaumont.”

1.

For the news from Cádiz, seeJohn Bondfield's letter of 6 June and JA's reply of the 10th (both above).

2.

Compare this description of Congress' action with that in the next to last sentence of JA's first letter to Vergennes of 22 June (below).

3.

The italicized passages, here and below, were underlined on the manuscript, but whether by Chaumont or someone else is unknown.

4.

For JA's expansion on this theme, see his letters to Vergennes of 20 and 22 (second) June (both below).