Papers of John Adams, volume 7

Gabriel de Sartine to the Commissioners, with a Contemporary Translation, 16 September 1778 Sartine, Antoine Raymond Jean Gualbert Gabriel de Franklin, Benjamin Lee, Arthur JA First Joint Commission at Paris

1778-09-16

Gabriel de Sartine to the Commissioners, with a Contemporary Translation, 16 September 1778 Sartine, Antoine Raymond Jean Gualbert Gabriel de Franklin, Benjamin Lee, Arthur Adams, John First Joint Commission at Paris
Gabriel de Sartine to the Commissioners, with a Contemporary Translation
a Versailles le 16 7bre 1778

J'ai recu, Messieurs, La Lettre1 que vous m'avez fait L'honneur de m'ecrire au Sujet du navire francois L'isabelle—que le Corsaire americaine le General Mifflin a repris Sur un Corsaire de Guernsey.

Dans La these generale, vous connoissez les dispositions de L'ordonnance de la marine de 1681 que adjudge aux Capitaines preneurs les Batimens repris lorsqu'ils ont été pendant 24 heures en la main de L'Ennemi, et qui ne leur en accorde que le tiers,2 pour frais de Recousse, lorsqu'ils les ont repris avant les 24 heures.3 Les Corsairs Americains joüiront, en France Sans difficulté du benefice de cette loi, Si elle a été adoptée par les Etats unis, de maniere que les Corsaires francois Soient assurés d'eprouver le meme traitement pour les Reprises qu'ils pourront conduire dans les ports de L'Amerique Septentrionale.

Les Loix angloises n'accordent, au contraire, aux Corsaires, qu'un huitième de la Valeur des Batimens repris pendant les premieres 24 heures; un Cinquieme pendant le Second Jour, un Tiers, pendant le 3e. et le 4e, et ensuite la moietié,4 ce qui laisse, au moins, dans tous les Temps, L'autre moietié, aux proprietaires perdeurs. Il est possible que les Etats unis preferent ces Loix, qui, moins avantageux pour les Corsaires, et plus favourables aux premieres Proprietaires des Batimens repris, peuvent meriter cette preferance Sur celles de France.5 Dans ces Circonstances Les Regles de la Reciprocité observé entre les deux Puissances Exigent qu'il Soit pris un arrangement pour adopter la Roy Loi de L'une des deux nations, et qu'il soit observé pour les Corsaires respectifs,6 et en Attendant, je Suis persuadé que vous pensées Comme moi, que le Corsaire Americaine, Le General Mifflin ne peut exiger, en france, que le meme Avantage que dans un Cas, semblable, un Corsaire francois, auroit obtenu dans L'Amerique Septentrionale.

Cette discussion, au Surplus, n'aura peut etre pas lieu, dans L'affaire particulier dont il S'agit. Je viens d'Etre informé que le proprietaire francois reclame Son Batiment comme repris Sur des Pirates, en offrant de payer le Valeur du tiers au Corsaire americain, qui l'a delivré. 40C'est la disposition de L'article 10 du Titre des Prises de L'ordonnance de 1681 qu'il paroit juste d'appliquer a Ce Cas particulier.7 S'il Se trove que le Corsaire de Guernsey, Soit du nombre de ces pirates, dont les Depredations ont forcé Sa Majesté d'ordonner des Represailles generales, et qu'il n'ait pas été pourvu des nouvelles Lettres de Marque, que le Cour de Londres n'a fait expedier qu'au mois d'áoût pour courir Sur Les Batimens francois, ce qui est annonce par la Declaration du Capitaine de L'isabelle.8 Cette question Sera necessairement Soumise a la decision des Tribunaux, et je ne pourrois que veiller a Ce que la justice la plus prompte Soit rendue au Corsaire americain. Je vous prie, dans tous les Cas, de me marquer Ce que vous pensés, sur la question principale, en Supposant des Loix differentes chez les deux nations, sur le fait des Reprises ou Recousses.

J'ai L'honneur d'etre avec une parfaite Consideration, Messieurs, Votre tres humble et tres obeissant serviteur

De Sartine
Gabriel de Sartine to Benjamin Franklin: A Translation, 16 September 1778 Sartine, Antoine Raymond Jean Gualbert Gabriel de Franklin, Benjamin Lee, Arthur JA First Joint Commission at Paris

1778-09-16

Gabriel de Sartine to Benjamin Franklin: A Translation, 16 September 1778 Sartine, Antoine Raymond Jean Gualbert Gabriel de Franklin, Benjamin Lee, Arthur Adams, John First Joint Commission at Paris
Gabriel de Sartine to Benjamin Franklin: A Translation
Gentlemen Versailles. 16th. September 1778

I have received the letter1 which you did me the honor to write to me on the subject of the French Ship Isabella which the American Privateer General Mifflin recaptured from a Guernsey privateer.

In the general Thesis, you may see the Dispositions of the Ordinance of the Marine of 1681 which adjudges to Captains captors of recaptured vessels when they have been during 24 Hours in the Enemies hands, a Third,2 for the charges of rescue, when they are retaken before the 24 Hours.3 The American privateers shall enjoy in France, without difficulty the benefit of this Law, if it has been adopted by the U States in such a manner as that the French privateers may be assured of experiencing the same treatment with respect to the recaptures they may conduct into the ports of No. America.

The English Laws on the contrary grant a privateer only one Eighth of the value of the vessels retaken within the first 24 Hours, a Fifth within the second day, a Third within the 3d. and 4th. and afterwards one half,4 which leaves at least in every case, the other half to the losing proprietors. It is possible that the U States, as these Laws are less advantageous to the privateers, and more favorable to the Original proprietors of recaptured vessels, would give the preference to those of France.5

In these circumstances the Rules of reciprocity observed between the two powers require that arrangements be taken to adopt the Law of one of the two nations which shall be observed by the respective 41privateers6 and in the meantime I am persuaded that you will think with me that the American privateer General Mifflin ought not to exact in France, other advantages than what in a similar case a French Privateer would meet with in North America.

This discussion moreover should not take place perhaps in the particular affair in question. I am just informed that the French proprietor claims his vessel as retaken from Pirates, offering to pay a third of its value to the American privateer which delivered it. This is Agreable to the 10th Article under the title of prizes of the Ordinance of 1681 which appears justly applicable to this particular case.7 If it should be found that the Guernsey privateer falls under the description of those pirates whose depredations have obliged His Majesty to order general reprisals, and that she has not been furnished with new Letters of Marque, which the Court of London did not grant before the month of August to cruize against French vessels as appears from the declaration of the Captain of the Isabella.8 This question will be necessarily submitted to the decision of the Tribunals; and I cannot do otherwise than see that the most prompt Justice be rendered to the American privateer. I request at any rate that you will be pleased to give me your opinion on the principle question, taking for granted the different Laws of the two nations with respect to Reprisals or rescues.

I have the honor &c.

LbC (Adams Papers); notation at the head of the letter: “Prises.” Translation by John Pintard (PCC, No. 85, f. 217–218).

1.

That of 10 Sept. (above).

2.

In the translation, to this point, the sentence should read: In the general thesis, you may see in the dispositions of the Ordinance of the Marine of 1681 which awards recaptured vessels to the captains who have retaken them, when they have been in enemy hands for at least 24 hours, a third.

3.

These provisions are taken from Book 3, Sect. 9, Art. 8, of the “Ordonnance de la Marine” issued at Fontainebleau in Aug. 1681 (Recueil générale des anciennes lots françaises depuis l'an 420, jusqu'à la révolution de 1789, 29 vols., Paris, 1821–1833, 19:334).

4.

See 29 Geo. 2, chap. 34, sect. 24, better known as the Prize Act of 1756.

5.

In the translation this sentence should read: It is possible that the United States may prefer these laws to those of France because, while they are less profitable to the privateers, they are more advantageous to the original owners of the recaptured vessels.

6.

In regard to recaptures the United States, as of the date of the letter, was governed by a resolution adopted on 5 Dec. 1775, which, with minor differences, followed the English practice ( JCC , 3:407). The “Ordinance ascertaining what captures on water shall be lawful” of 1781, however, after stating certain exceptions in which the time in possession of the enemy was to have no effect, adopted the French practice ( JCC , 21:1155–1156).

7.

That is, Book 3, Sect. 9, Art. 10 of the Ordinance.

8.

Louis XVI ordered the issuance of letters of marque against British ships on 10 July, which was followed on 5 Aug. by George III's similar order in regard to French ships (London Chronicle, 25–28 July; 4–6 Aug.). As Sartine notes, it was 42unlikely that the British document would have been in the hands of a Guernsey privateer as early as 22 Aug., the date on which the Isabelle was recaptured. Without such a letter of marque the privateer, under the law of nations and of France, would be considered a pirate.