Adams Family Correspondence, volume 14

John Adams to Thomas Boylston Adams, 24 January 1801 Adams, John Adams, Thomas Boylston
John Adams to Thomas Boylston Adams
Dear Son Washington January 24 1801

Yours of the 20th. is before me.— The Senate I hear is perfectly Satisfied at length, by a Message and some papers I sent them this Week at their request, that there is no Collision between The Convention with France and our Treaty with England: but other points labour.1 I choose not to say at present what I think. There has been, about two or three hundred Persons in the Union, who from the first nomination of Murray to this moment have been in a furious passion, and determined in their hearts to defeat the whole measure if they could, and to disgrace it as much as possible, in the Eyes of the public, if they could not.— If there are Some of those in the Senate, it would be no miracle.

The families you mention, have been in pursuit of Dominion by the means of popularity. They are the old Tory Connections. They Seemingly that is hypocritically fell in with the french Revolution because they Saw it was popular: but as soon as they thought it was become unpopular, they flew passionately over the Way. But they mistook the sense of the People. The French Revolution was become unpopular, but a War with France was not become popular. on the contrary the sense of the People has been always in favour of a friendly Connection with France, Spain and holland, as the best Security to keep the British in Awe.

For myself I have been, from 1786 to this moment a uniform detester of the French Revolution, as far as I could judge of it. Providence, and the french Nation had the Power. It was my duty to submit. But I had ever the most gloomy & fearful apprehensions of evil consequences, without being able to foresee any good. At the 538 Same time I have been as uniformly convinced, of the Policy of this Country to preserve Peace and a friendly Intercourse with France Spain and Holland, if it could be done, consistently with our honor and good faith. Brissotts Account of his Conversation with me as reported by Mr Gentz is true enough. The Interview was in Grosvenor Square, London. The Conversation was long and interesting. I wish he had detailed it more particularly.— He made me a present of his Works at the same time.

I began my Defence, in 1786, as much, with a View to the French Revolution then in Embrio or rather Springing into birth, as to the County Conventions their Resolutions against the Governor & senate, and the Insurrection in the Massachusetts.2 in 1788 when I first arrived at Boston Mr George Cabbott and Mr Jonathan Jackson asked me questions about a french Revolution. I answered them that there would be a Revolution and forty Years of War and blood in Consequence of it, without obtaining a shadow of Liberty or any other Advantage that I could foresee. That the French Phylosophers who were bringing the Change forward understood nothing of Government, or the system of Liberty. That any Town Meeting in New England would produce a better Constitution than all the Statesmen and Phylosophers in France.

The Adherents of Mr Hamilton, excepting a part of the Officers of the Cincinnati, are chiefly the Old Tories and their Connections. These have trumpetted and puffed his Talents, his Integrity and his disinterestedness these twenty Years. They all ever hated Hancock And Samuel Adams, and although they have affected an Appearance of some complaisance to me, in Consequence of my known principles and projects of Government, they have never loved me in their hearts. Their extravagant Praises of Washington have been merely to divert praises from Hancocks and Adams’s and McKeans &c on one hand and to boost the heavy Christian Hamilton up upon Washingtons fame, on the other

Your young Friend who writes against the Treaty means3 well no doubt. But he is in error. He mistakes the sense of the people, both now and at the time of the institution of the mission.

Your letters delight me very much. I must enjoin confidence and secresy But I shall soon be free & then I will write you with less reserve. In private life I will speak and write when I please.

The league and the fronde cannot be too much studied nor the revolution & commonwealth of England. Lord Clarendon contains 539 much information & much wisdom. Some allowance must be made for him as a party man. But all revolutions are alike in many features

I am my dear son Yours &c.

RC (Adams Papers). FC (Adams Papers).

1.

On 15 Jan. Gouverneur Morris, Wilson Cary Nicholas, and Jonathan Dayton were assigned to a committee to “reduce the several votes” on the Convention of 1800 “into the form of a ratification.” The committee reported on 20 Jan. 1801, after which the Senate asked JA to submit documents relating to the negotiation that he believed would “be proper to be so communicated.” The next day JA submitted a report by John Marshall and a 4 Oct. 1800 dispatch to Marshall from the U.S. commissioners to France. JA also submitted dispatches from Rufus King to Marshall of 31 Oct. and 22 Nov., which reported that Britain would not oppose the convention and expressed a belief that it did not violate the Jay Treaty (U.S. Senate, Exec. Jour. , 6th Cong., 2d sess., p. 370, 371; Marshall, Papers , 4:315–319, 338–340; King, Life and Corr. , 3:332–334). For the debate over the language of a 3 Feb. 1801 resolution giving the Senate’s consent to the ratification of the convention, see AA to Cotton Tufts, 15 Dec. 1800, and note 2, above.

2.

For JA’s motivations in writing his Defence of the Const. , see JA, Papers , 18:544–550.

3.

Only two pages of the RC are extant. The remainder of the letter from this point has been supplied from the FC.

Abigail Adams to Thomas Boylston Adams, 25 January 1801 Adams, Abigail Adams, Thomas Boylston
Abigail Adams to Thomas Boylston Adams
Dear Thomas. Washington Janry 25 1801

I received Yours of the 20th Instant.1 You will see how matters have gone in senate respecting the Convention. Dean Swift in verses upon his own death, Says of those who had predicted his death

“They’d rather that the Dean should dye than there predictions prove a lie”2

So the party had rather the whole convention should be negatived and every thing put again at the mercy of France, than assent to an accommodation with them; Yet pretend that they are fearfull of Mr Jeffersons prediliction in favour of France. they see and know now, what is before them; with the present Government of France they cannot expect to obtain better terms; for pay they cannot, and to have promised it, would not have been so sincere as to have waved it— the jealousy of G Britain would be more excited by a mission to France by the New President, and the Country in general would have less confidence in obtaining terms favourable to it— Yet a blind spirit of Party appear willing to risk all. I think they ought to take the Name, of the Risk alls, for that desperate Game they have play’d untill they have brought the Country into a State of Jeopardy; that there are dareing projects on foot I as fully believe, as the 540 Gentleman who told me so, and with the present views and temper which prevails. I cannot but think the President will find himself fortunate in his release; he might have stoped there career a few years longer—but he would have had the new faction to have contended against; I have inclosed You a curious conversation, which tho at table, was not heard by any one but ourselves, as we spoke low— it is a little too much in the Tench Cox Stile to commit it to writing, but it is only for your amusement; You will draw this inference from it, that there are certain persons, who carry every thing they hear, and I dare say many things they make, to the Ear of mr J——n if only what is said by the Party be told; his prospect is not a summer sea— If Burr should be Elected, which I do not believe, it will not be from any superiour confidence either party can place in him— his private Character will not bear the scrutiny which mr Jeffersons will. I believe he would become a Buonaparty if he could. he is bold, dareing, nothing to lose of property or Reputation ambitions, insinuating, a voluptuary in practise, and as to Religion—I Do not think he feels any restraints from it. I think him a much more dangerous Man than mr Jefferson; mr J—— will be too lax, too wild and levelling, the other will draw as tight as he dare;— after all it is a scylla & Charibdis buisness—

It is laughable to hear the offices which even the federilist are for placing the President in. one wants to make him Ambassador, an other chief Justice—and an other Govenour—comforting things be sure—3 Farmer Adams—if Farmer he could be upon his own System, would be enviable to any thing in the power of the country to give or grant. no more Elective offices for Me— I think too highly of the Rank and Station in which I have been placed ever to give my consent to a scondary and Subordinate station; looking upon myself in this Sense, one and indivissible to degrade ourselves, to descend voluntarily, and by choice, from the highest to a lower Rank, to quit the care of a Nation, for that of a state—those who will Submit to it, must possess more of Humity than falls to my Lot— yet can I in a private and retired life practise all the oeconomy to which I know I must be called, and feel no degradation or mortification but for my Country—

Inclosed is a curious Letter.4 is there any such craizy fellow— return the Letter— next twesday I propose quitting here. do You know where I can get more private lodgings than at Francis’is mrs Bradford and Boudinot request Me to put up with them— I do not propose staying more than a day or two, but I think I had better 541 have lodgings—5 I shall feel more at My Ease— adieu your ever / affectionate Mother

AA—
ENCLOSURE

a Conversation at table between Mrs A and Mr J——n last thursday.

Mr J—6 pray who is that Gentleman who sits next but one to the President?

that is Mr Waln of Pennsilvana.7

I never saw him to know him before. Pray who is the next?

that is Mr Homes You surely know him, Smiling he is a democrat.8

No I do not.

Mrs A— I know nearly all the Gentlemen of Both houses, a few voilent Demos, excepted who have excluded themselves from our table;

Mr J——n I do not know one in twenty. they complain, and say that I will not take my Hat off to them when I pass them, but I cannot help it, I have no Means of knowing them; I never see them but at your table.

Mrs A— do you never go into the House of Reps’

No I cannot. I am sure there are persons there who would take a pleasure in saying something, purposely to affront me.

Mrs A aya I cannot answer for them. I wished my Self to have gone last winter when one or two interesting questions were before the House, but was restrained by the same consideration; Party Spirit is much alike upon both sides the Question.

Mr J indeed I think there is more candor and liberality upon one side than there is upon the other.

I differ from You Sir, Yet I do not deny but that there is a difference amongst those who profess the Same sentiments. Some are mere Brutes, others are Gentlemen— but party Spirit, is a blind spirit; I was at the House to day for the first time; I would have gone into the Senate, but was obliged to return home.9

Mr J— I wish you had been there; Mr Gov Morris really made an eloquent speech upon the subject of the Mausoleum, and mr Cocke tried for his life to make one too. it was really diverting10

pray sir what do the Senate design to do with the convention?

upon my Soul, I believe they will reject it—

I am surprized at that. the Mercantile interest, in the great states of 11 are in favour of it—

Mr J I have information from the South that they are so.

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Mrs A. there have always been a party determined to defeat it from the first sending the Mission. I Mean the Hamiltonians; they must abide the concequences—

Mr J— pray is not your New Senator Mason of that party;

Mrs A I think he is.—12

mr J— Foster I think is not.

there sir You are mistaken.13 Foster was brought into senate by that party, to the exclusion of Mr Sewall who ought to have been Senator. mr Foster is not one of the voilent Party Men— His Brother however votes and thinks differently from him—

Mr J— I think Chipman as bitter a Man as any in Senate—

Mrs A— I know very little of Mr Chipman I never see him but at publick dinners—and he is a very silent Man— Mr Paine I am well acquainted with. he is a sensible well informd candid Man, and as free from party Spirit as any Gentleman I know14

Mr J— I wonder what they mean to do? they have Some daring projects on foot;

as I Supposed this refered to the Election, I replied I do not know, that is a subject which I do not chuse to converse upon— I have heard of a Clergyman who upon some difficulty amongst his people, took a text from these words—“and they knew not what to do”—from whence he drew this inference, [“]that when a people were in such a Situation, that they do not know what to do; they should take great care that they do not do—they know not what.” at this he laught out, and here ended the conversation—

RC and enclosure (Adams Papers); endorsed: “Mrs: A Adams / 25th: Jany 1801 / 30th: Recd: / 1st: Feby ansd:”; enclosure endorsed: “Conversation—”; notation on enclosure by CFA: “This conversation must have taken place in the last days of January 1801. / C F A.”; enclosure filmed at [Jan. 1801?]. Dft of enclosure (Adams Papers); filmed at [Jan. 1801?].

1.

TBA to AA, 20 Jan., for which see AA to TBA, 15 Jan., note 2, above.

2.

Jonathan Swift, “Verses on the Death of the Rev. Doctor Swift,” lines 132–133.

3.

William Tudor wrote to JA on 9 Jan., suggesting that on retirement the former president could be appointed minister to Britain or France, while Elias Boudinot suggested in a letter of 20 Jan. (both Adams Papers) that J A could become chief justice. JA rebuffed both suggestions, telling Tudor, “I must be Farmer John of Stoney field, and nothing more, (I hope nothing less) for the rest of my Life” (JA to Tudor, 20 Jan., MHi:Adams-Tudor Coll.; to Boudinot, 26 Jan., LbC, APM Reel 120).

4.

A second enclosure has not been found.

5.

In his 1 Feb. reply TBA recommended alternative public lodgings to Francis’ Hotel but advised AA to stay in private lodgings. He also thanked her for the enclosure, writing that it “amused me much,” and commented on expectations that JA would hold another public office, stating that “there are silly people enough, in this world to invent & propagate the idlest schemes” (Adams Papers).

6.

In the Dft, AA added here, “a Gentleman who always conducts her to table when he dines here.”

543 7.

Robert Waln (1765–1836) was a Pennsylvania merchant and Federalist who had served in the House since 3 Dec. 1798 ( Biog. Dir. Cong. ).

8.

For David Holmes, a Virginia congressman since 1797, see LCA, D&A , 2:641.

9.

AA attended the House session on 22 Jan. 1801 and heard a committee report on proposed constitutional amendments regarding the method of choosing presidential electors and congressional representatives. The House then spent the rest of the day debating the continuation of the Sedition Act ( Annals of Congress , 6th Cong., 2d sess., p. 941–958).

10.

On 22 Jan. the Senate continued debating the erection of a mausoleum to George Washington. The speeches of neither Gouverneur Morris of New York nor William Cocke of Tennessee were recorded in the day’s proceedings, although Morris wrote in his diary that he spoke “a little” on the topic but that his efforts had “little Effect” (Morris, Diaries , 2:157).

11.

In the Dft, AA added, “Massachusetts N York & pensilvana.”

12.

In the Dft, AA added, “a man of Sense sir and would not I believe go all lengths with them, but I believe he favours that party—”

13.

In the Dft, AA added, “he is the very breath of their mouth.”

14.

That is, Senator Dwight Foster of Massachusetts and his brother, Senator Theodore Foster of Rhode Island, and the senators from Vermont, Nathaniel Chipman (1752–1843) and Elijah Paine (vol. 13:214, 376–377; AA to TBA, 12 June 1800, and note 5, above; Biog. Dir. Cong. ).