Papers of John Adams, volume 18

From John Adams to Wilhem & Jan Willink and Nicolaas & Jacob van Staphorst, 11 May 1786 Adams, John Willink, Wilhem & Jan (business) Staphorst, Nicolaas & Jacob van (business)
To Wilhem & Jan Willink and Nicolaas & Jacob van Staphorst
Gentlemen— Grosvenor Square May 11th. 1786

I have received your favour of the 5th. of May inclosing a Duplicate of a Letter from the Commissioners of the Board of Treasury to me of the 7th. of March, the original of this Letter is not come to hand—

These Letters Surprized me, very much, because Mr. Rucker had informed me a fortnight ago that he had orders to pay the Interest both in Holland & France I went yesterday to his House to make a 289 more exact Inquiry and found that he has orders to pay 30,000 Dollars only.1 This, however, though less than I wish, I hope will be some Relief to you.

I am very glad you have advertised the payment of the Interest— This is a right measure, although the Consequence of it should be, a necessity for Mr. Barclay and Mr. Lamb and myself to return to America.

I would gladly hold back “any further disposals upon you Gentlemen, untill you receive Remittances from America or effect the sale of some of the Bonds still remaining on Hand” if it were in my Power: But you know that Mr. Barclay and Mr. Lamb are often drawing upon me, and if their Bills are protested, the Whole System of their business is undone—and if my draughts for my own salary and disbursements, are not honoured, I must starve or go home— To return to America would be a Pleasure to me, and no disadvantage to the United States, or any body else that I know of—but even in this Case I must depend upon you for Cash to enable me to return— if you cannot find means to advance me my salary, let me beg of you to let me know it, by return of post, because in that case, I would come over to Holland for a few Weeks and take leave of their High mightinesses in order to return home to America, by the July Packett— I hope the future draughts of Mr. Barclay and Lamb upon me will not be payable, much before August, the last of Lamb were at double usance—so that they will not be due, much before that time, if at all—

One Thing is now certain—that Congress will soon be enabled to pay their Interest in Europe punctually for if they are not.—

If I should return home, I must have Money to live while I stay, and at least six hundred Pounds sterling which Congress allows each Minister to pay his Expences in preparing for his return & getting home, and this I will have if I am obliged to go to Amsterdam and open a new Loan for it. I know very well I can still borrow Money in Holland— And no man who has any of my obligations in his Possession need be under any Concern for his Principal or Interest—as long as there is house or Land, Stock or Block, in the United States in may recover it, in any Court of Law, in any state & lay his execution on what he will— But he need not fear any such trouble— The People of America since the Peace, have been employed in Reparation of the Ravages of War, & replacing their Stock— they will in future be employed in Production, and will find no 290 difficulty to manage the frivilous Debt they owe in Europe, Their Debt is not two hundred & seventy two Millions sterling, nor are their agriculture fisheries, Peltries, or Commerce or Manufactures decreasing— with great esteem I am Gentlemen / Your friend & Humble sert.

J. A—

LbC in WSS’s hand (Adams Papers); internal address: “Messrs. Willinks / & / Van staphorsts”; APM Reel 113.

1.

This is John Rucker, a partner in Robert Morris’ New York banking house. The Adamses had met him and his wife, Jane Marshall Rucker, in France and socialized with them in London ( AFC , 7:28).

To John Adams from Thomas Jefferson, 11 May 1786 Jefferson, Thomas Adams, John
From Thomas Jefferson
Dear Sir Paris May 11. 1786.

I do myself the honour of inclosing to you letters which came to hand last night from mr̃ Lamb, mr̃ Carmichael and mr̃ Barclay. by these you will perceive that our peace is not to be purchased at Algiers but at a price far beyond our powers. what that would be indeed mr̃ Lamb does not say, nor probably knows. but as he knew our ultimatum; we are to suppose from his letter that it would be a price infinitely beyond that. a reference to Congress seems hereon to be necessary. till that can be obtained mr̃ Lambe must be idle at Algiers, Carthagena or elsewhere. would he not be better employed in going to Congress? they would be able to draw from him & mr̃ Randall the information necessary to determine what they will do. and if they determine to negotiate, they can reappoint the same, or appoint a new negotiator, according to the opinion they shall form on their examination. I suggest this to you as my first thoughts; an ultimate opinion should not be formed till we see mr̃ Randall, who may be shortly expected. in the mean time, should an opportunity occur, favour me with your ideas hereon, that we may be maturing our opinions. I send copies of these three letters to mr̃ Jay by the packet which sails from l’Orient the 1st. day of the next month.1

On my return to Paris the Imperial ambassador informed me he had received full powers for treating with us. I repeated to him the information that ours would expire the 12th. of this month. he said he supposed Congress would have no objections to renew them, proposed that I should write to them on the subject, and in the mean time desired our project and observed that we might be proceeding to arrange the treaty, so as that it should be ready for 291 signature on the arrival of our powers.2 I gave him a copy of our project, in which, taking the Danish one for the ground work, I made the alterations noted on the within paper: being such as had occurred & met our approbation during the Prussian Tuscan & Portuguese negotiations. I write to Congress an information of what has passed, and in the mean time shall take no other step till you favor me with your opinion whether we should proceed to prepare terms according to Count Merci’s proposition.3

I inclose you a copy of the queries of which I had put an illegible one into your hands when in London.4

I beg to leave to present my most friendly respects to the ladies, and to yourself assurances of the esteem with which I have the honor to be Dear Sir your most obedient and most humble servant

Th: Jefferson

RC and enclosures (Adams Papers); internal address: “Mr. Adams.”; endorsed: “Mr Jefferson May 11 / ansd 23. 1786”; docketed by JQA: “T. Jefferson 11. May 1786. / 23. Ansd.”; notation by CFA: “published in his Writings / vol 2d. p 25.” That is, Jefferson, Correspondence, ed. Randolph, 2:25.

1.

The enclosures with this letter, all FCPr’s, were John Lamb’s 29 March letter to Jefferson, for which see Paul R. Randall’s 4 May letter, note 1, above; and letters to the commissioners from Thomas Barclay of 10 April, above, and William Carmichael of 13 April (Jefferson, Papers , 9:385–386).

2.

The commissioners’ instructions of 7 May 1784 indicated that their commissions to negotiate treaties with individual countries were to “be in force for a Term not exceeding two years.” Their commission to negotiate with Austria was dated 12 May 1784 (vol. 16:196, 590). Congress did not renew the authorization to negotiate.

3.

For Jefferson’s model treaty that he drafted in the autumn of 1784 and initially intended to be proposed to Denmark, see Jefferson, Papers , 7:463–490. The enclosure, which is not with this letter in the Adams Papers, indicates the deviations from the model treaty and is similar to a 1785 list of changes to be included in the draft Anglo-American commercial treaty (same, 8:273–275, 9:507–509). Jefferson reported on the proposed negotiations with the Austrian ambassador to France, the Comte Mercy d’Argenteau, in his 12 May 1786 letter to John Jay (same, 9:514–516; 10:507), but see also JA’s 23 May reply, below.

4.

Neither this enclosure nor the earlier “illegible” copy has been found. The editors of the Jefferson Papers have identified it conjecturally as “Queries Concerning Trade with the French Colonies,” [ca. Dec. 1785], but no mention of them by JA has been found (Jefferson, Papers , 9:134–135).