Papers of John Adams, volume 16

John Adams to Marquis de Castries, 9 December 1784 Adams, John Castries, Marquis de
To the Marquis de Castries
Auteuil near Paris December 9: 1784.1 Monsieur le Maréchal

According to your desire, I have committed to writing the two or three Observations, on the business of Masts, Yards, and Bowsprits which I had last tuesday the Honour of making in Conversation with your Excellency at Paris.

The eastern Parts of the Massachusetts, particularly the Counties of York, Cumberland and Lincoln, and more especially the Lands lying near the four great Rivers, which meet in Merrimeeting Bay, and flow together, under the name of Kennebeck River into the Sea, are the Spot, upon which grow the best Pine Trees for Masts, which are found in America. and from whence the English Government, before the Revolution procured their Masts for large Ships, unless perhaps they obtained a few from some Parts of New-Hampshire. By the Charter of Massachusetts, Pine Trees were reserved to the Crown; and various Acts of Parliament were made from time to time forbidding upon severe Penalties private Persons to cut such trees. The King had an Officer under the Title of surveyor General of the Woods, who had under him a great Number of Deputy surveyors for the Inspection & conservation of these Trees. Mr: Wentworth the last Royal Governor of New Hampshire, was the last surveyor General, at whose request, the Subscriber, commenced and prosecuted a great Number of Libels, in the Court of Admiralty, at Boston, against Transgressors of those Acts of Parliament so that he thinks himself well warranted to say, that those Acts of Parliament instead of containing any proof of the bad Quality of American Pine Trees, as your Excellency was pleased to say, you had been informed, contain the best proofs of their Excellence, and of the high Esteem, in which the Parliament held them.2

There was a considerable Number of large Vessels, which were called Mast Ships constantly employ’d in transporting from 445 Kennebeck and Piscataqua Rivers, Pine Trees for Masts, Spars and Bowsprits for the Royal Navy. and the trees of thirty six Inches Diameter, which the English were very fond of, for their large Ships were only to be found in America.

There are upon the territory before described a number of Families, whose whole Occupation has been to cut, draw, and prepare, these Kind of Trees, for the royal Navy of England. it is a difficult, laborious and hazardous Business: and not very profitable: but being educated to this Employment from their Infancy, knowing perfectly the Country and the Lands where the Trees are, the proper Seasons, for the business, and having their Tools, and Machines as well as their Teems of Cattle, always ready and knowing all the most frugal Ways of saving Expenses and making Advantages, they were able to live by the Business, when other Persons without these Advantages would have ruined themselves. these People were commonly called Mast Men and they are so valuable a Sett of Men, that whoever first engages them whether the French or the English, will obtain an Advantage. The English are said to have sent an Agent to Boston, and there is no doubt that they will exert themselves to secure these Mast Men, unless your Excellency, by seizing a favourable Opportunity of contracting with some of the Americans now here, engage them before-hand.

Your Excellency will permit me to say, that I apprehend all surveys and Experiments made upon the Masts and Spars, now on board of the French Ships which were procured in America will not only be usseless, but illusory. it will not be a fair Tryal—because on the breaking out of Hostilities, between Great Britain and America, the whole System of the Masting Business and Commerce was broken up: the Mast Men, like the Fishermen not finding their usual Employment went into others, sold their Cattle, and laid aside their Tools: so that the Pine, Timber, furnished to the French Ships, although the best then and there to be had, was only such as was left by the English, or obtained by hazard in improper places and in a green unseasoned State. it is no wonder then if the Wood is found to shrink for the wood of the Pine Tree, is of such a Nature, that when cut and used green it always shrinks, whether it grows in America, or in Sweeden, Norway or Russia.

I am well informed that the most intelligent Officers of the British Navy, attribute the Loss of the great Number of the capital Ships, by bad Weather in the late War, a loss unprecedented in any 446 former War, wholly to the want of American Masts. The Ministry ordered their Expedition to Penobscot, in the view of obtaining Masts, but they found themselves disappointed. They found there Pine Trees it is true but no Mast Men, no sufficient Teems of Cattle, no proper Machines for the Business. All these were without their Lines. So that they obtained no Masts of any value.

There is not in America, at least within my Kowledge a Merchant more intelligent, or any way more capable, of giving your Excellency full Information upon the Subject, nor more worthy of Confidence, than Mr: Tracy and Mr: Jackson who are now in Paris, and to them I beg leave to refer.

With great and sincere Respect &c.

LbC in JQA’s hand (Adams Papers); internal address: “His Excellency the Maréchal de Castries”; APM Reel 107.

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The meeting with the French naval minister, Charles Eugène Gabriel de La Croix, the Marquis de Castries, on Tuesday, 7 Dec., which JA describes in this letter, was originally to take place on 1 December. JA had written to Castries on 25 Nov. (LbC, APM Reel 107) to request a meeting to be attended by himself and Nathaniel Tracy, who had “something to propose to his Excellency, which he hopes may be beneficial to the Marine Service of the King.” The minister replied on the 30th, indicating that he would be available at 10:30 the following morning at his home in Paris (Adams Papers). Castries’ note reached JA on the afternoon of the day appointed for the meeting so that JA wrote again on Monday, 6 Dec. (LbC, APM Reel 107), requesting a new appointment, the date and time to be given to the person delivering JA’s letter.

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The French Navy’s generally poor opinion of the quality of American masts was probably owing to the reasons given by JA in the third paragraph below. But prior to the Revolution the British government and navy held the American white pine, particularly from New Hampshire and Maine, to be of unsurpassed quality for use as masts and of vital importance to British naval strength. Indeed, the cutting of “all Trees of the Diameter of Twenty Four Inches and upwards of Twelve Inches from the ground” was reserved to the British government in the Massachusetts charter and later, in 1711 and 1722, by acts of Parliament (JA, Legal Papers , 2:247–253). For a more detailed account of the mast trade and the importance of white pine, as well as the cases wherein JA represented his longtime friend and Harvard classmate John Wentworth, royal governor of New Hampshire and Surveyor General of the Woods, see same, p. 247–274; for additional information on JA’s presentation to Castries, see his 13 Dec. 1784 letter to Samuel Osgood, below.

The American Commissioners to the Duke of Dorset, 9 December 1784 American Commissioners Adams, John Franklin, Benjamin Jefferson, Thomas Dorset, John Frederick Sackville, third Duke of
The American Commissioners to the Duke of Dorset
My lord Duke Passy decr. 9th. 1784.

We have received the Letter which your grace did us the honour of writing us on the 24th. day of Last month, and we received with 447 much Satisfaction the assurances on the part of his Britannic Majesty’s Ministers of their readiness to take into consideration any proposals coming from the United States of america that Can tend to the establishing a System of mutual & permanent advantage, to the two Countries

As to the Previous Stipulation proposed by your Court that the United States Should Send a person properly authorized & invested with the necessary powers to London as more Suitable to the dignity of either power than would be Carrying on in any third place à negocitiation of So Great importance, we Can only Say, that if By this proposition it is intended that the united States Should Send a public Minister to reside constantly at the Court of Great Britain we are not authorized to answer it but we Shall transmit a Copy of your grace’s letter to Congress, who will determine upon it according to their wisdom:1 but if it is intended only that the proposed negotiation Should be Conducted in London we Can inform your Grace & his majesty’s Ministers, that we have a full Power in due form as Ministers plenipotentiary to his Britannic Majesty, not only to treat but conclude upon all the Sujects in question; and although we have no apprehension that it is inconsistent with the dignity of the United States to treat in any third place; and altho it would be inconvenient to us to leave Paris where we have already Commenced negotiations with Several other powers for any long time— Yet we are So desirous of Shewing a respect to the Sentiments of your Court that we would readily repair to London as we are not Limited by our Commission nor instructions to any place.

We Shall therefore wait for further information from your grace & from his Majesty’s Ministers, and if it Shall appear to be their desire to meet us in London, we will do ourselves the honour of Paying our respects to them in person without loss of time

With Great Respect / We have the honour to be / your grace’s / Most obedient et Most hble. Servants

Jonh Adams. B. Franklin T. Jefferson.

FC in David Humphreys’ hand (Adams Papers); internal address: “His Grace the Duke of Dorset Ambassador / from his B. M. at the Court of versailles.”; docketed by JA: “4. / Letter from Messrs / Adams Franklin & Jefferson / to / His Grace the Duke of Dorsett / 9. Decr. 1784.” Dft (Adams Papers).

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The commissioners enclosed copies of Dorset’s letter of 24 Nov., above, and their reply with their 15 Dec. letter to the president of Congress, below.