Papers of John Adams, volume 14

From Francis Dana, 19 December 1782 Dana, Francis Adams, John
From Francis Dana
Dear Sir Decr: 8th. 1782— [O.S., 19 December N.S.]

I give you a thousand thanks for your short letter of the 8th. of last month which I recd. this morning. I had before received a Copy of the State Paper you mention; the consequences you draw from it relative to the Neutral Powers are clear & beyond all question. I had view'd the matter in the same light which you & Mr: J. view it in, so far as can respect myself. You will see my sentiments on the subject in the enclosed letter, which, after presenting my regards to Mr: J. you are at liberty to show to him.1 You will please to close it and forward it by the first opportunity. As to the matter which has been produced by the advances you speak of, I consider it an oblique measure, and the fruit of the old System. It belonged to another apartment properly, and might have been executed by this day perhaps in that course, and wou'd have been probably an irresistable stimulus, and cleared away all obstacles in another quarter. Having your liberty to mention your name in confidence, I have gone no further than to mention the matter in confidence without your name. and anew to consult my correspondent about a certain step.2 but without any effect: thus one of those occasions whh: shou'd be seized upon in the moment, is gone forever.— I will attend to the business of the order you mention. We have a rumour here that you 138have already adjusted affairs on our part. I beleive it premature because I have no advice of so important a measure from you. May Heaven grant us all reasonable successes. Yours very sincerely

The letter abovementioned goes thrô other hands—

P.S. I have this day recd. two letters from my ward at Stockholm one dated Novr: 28th. the other Decr: 6th. He was then well. He had a fine passage across the Bothnie Gulph, the most difficult part of his route.3 Thô I have not yet recd. an account of his departure ftom Stockholm, yet he is probably by this time much farther advanced on his way.

RC (Adams Papers); addressed: “A Monsieur / Monsieur Adams / Ministre Plenipotentiaire des / Etats-Unis &c / à / Paris”; endorsed: “Mr Dana / 8. Dec. 1782.” Filmed at 8 December.

1.

The “State Paper” was Richard Oswald's commission of 21 Sept., for which see vol. 13:483–485. Dana commented at length on the consequences of Oswald being granted the power to negotiate with the “commissioners of the United States” in his letter of [18 Nov.] to Robert R. Livingston, a triplicate of which he enclosed with this letter to JA (Wharton, Dipl. Corr. Amer. Rev. , 6:54–56; MHi:Francis Dana Letterbooks, Official, 1781–1782).

2.

Charles Olivier de Saint Georges Vérac, the French minister to Russia. In his letter to Livingston of [18 Nov.], Dana wrote at length about his consultations with Vérac over the formal presentation of his credentials to the Russian court. Vérac opposed the undertaking with such intensity that Dana concluded it would be futile to make the attempt until peace was officially concluded.

3.

Both are dated new style, but neither has been found. The London Chronicle of 24–26 Dec. printed a report from Stockholm, dated 3 Dec., that JQA had arrived a few days previously, noting that the “young American” did “not appear to be charged with any political commission” but had “come to purchase iron cannon.” It was likely from that report, or virtually identical ones printed in other London papers, that JA learned of JQA's progress. Writing to JQA on 18 Feb. 1783, JA informed his son that until receiving JQA's letter of 1 Feb. he “had heard nothing of you Since the Beginning of December when you was in Stockholm, and then only by the public Papers” ( AFC , 5:97).

From Robert R. Livingston, 19 December 1782 Livingston, Robert R. Adams, John
From Robert R. Livingston
No: 14: Sir Philadelphia, 19th December 1782

The enclosed Letter for Mr Dana you will open & peruse—it may possibly contain information that may be of use to you which it will be unnecessary to repeat here—1 I mentioned in my last Mr Jefferson's appointment, I have the pleasure of adding now that I have received an account from him of his acceptance of the place—2 He will be here in the course of ten or twelve days & sail with Count de Rochambeau, who proposes to return to France— The French Troops have embarked with the Marquis de Vaudreuil, & are to sail 139for the West Indies, unless they Should receive counter orders by a frigate which is now in the river— Her Letters are not yet come up, as She unfortunately run on shore at Dover it is yet uncertain whether She will be saved—3 The great political question which at present engages the attention of Congress, is the means of providing for the payment of the public debts, or at least establishing such funds for the regular discharge of the interest as may set their creditors at ease as to their capitals— It was imagined that a duty of five per cent upon all imports would afford a fund adequate to this— Congress accordingly recommended it to the several states to impose the duty They have all complied except Rhode Island, her refusal renders the other laws nugatory, as they contain clauses suspending their operation till the measure is generally adopted— Congress are about to send down a Committee to endeavour to prevail upon Rhode Island to comply with a measure that they deem so essential to public credit—4 It is extremely difficult in a Country So little used to taxes as ours is, to lay them directly—& almost impossible to impose them so equally as not to render them too oppressive on some members of the community, while others contribute little or nothing— This difficulty is encreased by the continual change of property in this Country, & by the small proportion the income bears to the value of lands.

By a short Letter just received from Mr Jay, it appears that England has at length Swallowed the bitter pill, & agreed to treat with the “thirteen United states of America”— I am still at a loss to account for this commission's being directed to Mr Oswald, while Mr Fitzherbert's continues in force, or is that revoked? I will not trouble myself with guesses as I must receive dispatches to day which will explain the mystery, if either Mr Franklin or Mr Jay have kept their words with me.5

I have the honor to be, sir / with great regard & esteem / Your most obedient / & most humble servant

RR Livingston

RC and enclosures (Adams Papers); internal address: “Honble. John Adams—”; endorsed by John Thaxter: “No. 14. / Secy. Livingston / 19. Decr. 1782.” For the enclosures, see note 1. Dupl (Adams Papers).

1.

This is likely Livingston's letter of 17 Dec. in which he, because of the “difficulty of conveying letters” to Dana, provided a lengthy summary of events over the past year, but no copy has been found in the Adams Papers (Wharton, Dipl. Corr. Amer. Rev. , 6:144–149). However, filed with Livingston's 19 Dec. letter in the Adams Papers are four documents: (1) Livingston's letter of 29 May to Dana concerning the Asgill affair; (2) Congress’ 27 May resolution instructing Dana not to present his letters of credence until he had been recognized in his official capacity; (3) Congress’ 18 Nov. resolution appointing Thomas Barclay to settle accounts in Europe; and (4) Congress’ 3 Dec. 140resolution to accept Livingston's resignation but continue him in office until 19 Dec. when a new secretary was to be chosen (same, 5:446–447; JCC , 22:301; 23:728–730, 759). The first two documents were more likely enclosed with Livingston's letter to JA of 29 May (vol. 13:84–85). There is no indication of how or when the third and fourth documents were received.

2.

Livingston's last was of 18 Nov., above. For Jefferson's mission, see note 2 to that letter.

3.

The 26-gun French frigate Danaé, which sailed from Rochefort on 8 Nov., was saved after running aground during a snowstorm (Smith, Letters of Delegates , 19:494; Dull, French Navy and Amer. Independence , p. 356).

4.

On 3 Feb. 1781, Congress adopted a 5 percent impost on goods imported into the United States. Support for the tax grew as the financial situation of the nation declined; by the end of 1782 all states but Rhode Island had approved the levy, the revenue from which would have significantly strengthened the power of the government in Philadelphia. As a result, on 6 Dec. Congress resolved to send a delegation to Rhode Island to urge upon the state the “absolute necessity” of complying with the tax. The delegation, composed of Samuel Osgood, Thomas Mifflin, and Abner Nash, set off but returned when it learned that Virginia had reconsidered and now rejected the tax. Virginia's defection sounded the death knell for the impost of 1781 ( JCC , 19:110–113, 23:770–772; E. James Ferguson, The Power of the Purse, Chapel Hill, N.C., 1961, p. 116–117, 152–153).

5.

The difference was that Alleyne Fitzherbert's commission of 24 July authorized him to negotiate with France, the Netherlands, and “all Princes and states whom it may concern,” while Richard Oswald's commission of 21 Sept. permitted him to negotiate with the “United States of America” (vol. 13:243–244, 249, 483–485). Since neither Benjamin Franklin nor John Jay would negotiate with a British representative not specifically authorized to deal with the United States, Oswald was the only person with whom they would negotiate. See, for example, the letters to Livingston from Jay and Franklin of 13 and 14 Oct., respectively, which reached Congress on 23 Dec. (Wharton, Dipl. Corr. Amer. Rev. , 5:809, 811–812; PCC, No. 185, III, f. 50).